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v 18: Guru-mũrtim smaren nityam
Guror ãjňãm prakurĩta
v.79: Harau ruṣṭe gurus trãtã
Tasmat sarva-prayatnena,
v. 86: Na mukta deva-gandharvãḥ
Ṛṣayaḥ sarva siddhãśca
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The charter has been published in many place for instance in Phoenix Magazine of the Concord of cosmic people, where it is published with mahendranaths signature, later in the Book Tantra magick by mandrake and if i remember it right also in the magazine sothis and later in the magazine azoth published by sothis/ weirdglow, i will not waste my time here trying to verify facts that are known to anybody acquainted with the life of dadaji.
In the original version of E.E.E. published by sothis weirdglow, 1983 and also in the compilation "Twilight yoga" 1984 dadaji states that he had passed on the Parampara to Lokanatha.
In fact he was not able to pass any Parampara to Kapilnath in the 90ies because he retired from any active function in 1978.
To belive that one can transfer parampara and then 10 years later take it away annull the retirement is not in accordance with the ancient precepts of Siddha Tradition and can safely be ignored.
In places where it matters, this is known, if you like you can "0wn" wikipedia it is definetly not the place where succession of an ancient sampradaya is decided.
The endeavour to censor any mentioning of Mahendranaths long friendship and connection with Sri Lokanath and the AMOOKOS as if it has not happened, and to edit out external links to shivashakti.com which contains a lot of valuable information from reliable scholarly sources about the Nath Tradition, is futile and will only degrade the quality of information presented in wikipedia.
If dadaji says later in his life he hasn´t passed on the parampara he either was lying or suffered from alzheimer disease, he never had any executive function in the western nath order nor in AMOOKOS, and it was not founded by him, but by lokanath. His only function was that of a retired counsellor.
It is simply impossible to confer and then revoke parampar AND do that after parampar was executed already for 10 years, this has never happened in India, such a thing can only happens if degenerated westerners assume positions in indian traditions they are not educated enough or fit for, the way Dadaji acted is a shameful example of the all too common misappropriation of ancient indian traditions that is marked by power struggle and people lacking accumulation of punya.
In the Kali Yuga all the indian traditions have sadly become a playground for mental instable and morally degenerated new age cultists of diverse varieties, without any respect for the tradition they pretend to follow.
It is anyway a misrepresentation of Hinduism that such a prominent place is given to a sampradaya in wikipedia under the heading of hinduism, while it is only one of the minor western new age cults founded on a mixed bag of some "eastern" and western ideas.
You misunderstand the situation, it was not Lokanath that looked for a Guru, he already had his own experience,it was Dadaji that was desperate that Sri Lokanath would accept parampara as the "new aeon leader"(dadajis Phrase), he (lokanatha) did this reluctantly and only under the condition that he is and will be independent and the one that is solely responsible for the new promulgation and dadaji retires from offical function. Dadaji influence was present but never the main focus in the Promulgation.
That was the reason why at that moment when Dadji started behaving like he did, revoking stuff etc. not a single of 80+ Initiates accepted or understood his disloyalty and not a single member of AMOOKOS took any of what he said serious.
Dadaji was only Parameshti Guru, for us that received diksha from sri Lokanatha, since when is it Tradition that Parameshti Gurus word is more important than instruction of your own Guru? Please try to understand that Dadaji was always and still is of lesser importance for AMOOKOS and i would even say of much lesser knowledge and Attainment than Sri Lokanatha.
Really you do not understand what Guru devotion is, without Guru devotion you will never become a real nath panthi. Guru is shiva and shakti in human form, he is the final authority and you follow his instruction...thats why we do not care whether Dadaji was ranting in Mehmdabad or a sack of rice fell down in china.
Not that i know that Lokanath was ever lacking anything or i was ever dependent on anyone.
Parampara is not personal it is transpersonal it originates with Adinath. It is independent of ego ranting and also of Charters painted with felt liners and cute cutouts. :) Something smaller fits into something that is greater never the other way around.
You are assuming stuff here, first that i wish to be consistent i never had that wish, i don´t think consistancy exists in real life, even dadaji wasn´t consistent in first declaring Lokanath to be the Maharaj the world leader of the new aeon and then turning against him, was he? Then you assume i belive in such a thing as a "true Guru" i do not do that.
Then you assume that to show respect, Lokanatha and the other iniitiates, must all off a sudden follow orders of a person who just taught them to follow "Svecchaacharya" the path of doing ones own will and who promised to never interfere and give orders? We did do that we have learned the Lesson we are "svecchachari" and have choosen freedom and you? you are what? you are maybe only part of the Pashu Brigade by becoming slaves of the impotent orders of an old man? That way Dadaji is a true Guru he has created a path for the Viras and Svecchachari and has also shown a path for the slaves and the servile pashus.
A lot of Nath Panthis are inconsistent and insane like that my little servile brother.
Please realise that : I never liked any of Dadajis pamphlets, why should that prevent me from studying with Sri Lokanath for 10 years? He reintroduced authentic teachings into the mediocre assorted ideas of Dadaji.
For you information Dadaji had the highest respect for me-that did not prevent me from being desinterested in Dadaji work.
If we are talking about Nath Sampradaya we are not talking about one or two petty incarnations, a true nath panthi is part of the Parampara a little longer than that, thats why it is so funny and ridiculos to try to revoke something that you cannot even give, diksha is remembering of what you already are. If you think it is otherwise we are not talking about the same thing.
Who is young and guruless when nowadays you can get good and cheap gurus everywhere in the U.S.A. :) And the end of this discussion is that you still will try to keep the biogaraphy in wikipedia of dadaji clean from his 10 years of cooperation with AMOOKOS and concentrate on the 2 remaining years pretending that these 10 years did not happen so that he might appear as a consistent person with a consistent politically correct biography? Good Luck ....
Your statement is entirely incorrect whatever Lies or Amendments he later fabricates , Dadaji wrote in his introduction to E.E.E. in 1982 the following:
This document "Ectasy Equipoise Eternity" is intended to be an investigation of Indias ancient wisdom, Natha magick and outlook, and accounts of Shri Dattatreya, the naked Mahatma, and his amoral outlook and way of life which formend the base of all Natha Teaching.
All this ancient lineage i have by iniitiation transmitted to Michael Magee and i have given him the sanskrit name of Shri Lokanath as grand master of the new order for the new aeon. Those who are wise and without blindness will know the next step to take. Mahendranath Gurudev
Now you come and tell me this is not about Adinath Sampradaya? What other ancient lineage is he talking about could you please tell me that?
I am not interested in writing any article about AMOOKOS I only dislike the way this article misrepresents Hindu Tradition and the History of this Nath Parampara.
Now you are joking :) You know that Dadaji only received Iniitiation into the AdiNath Sampradaya and he had no other Nath Guru than sri Lokanath from U.P. If you insist that he has been holding Parampara for two different Nath Samparadayas i will no longer discuss with you this is ridiculous, nowhere is this mentionend at least in none of his letters or publications prior to his "revocation". If he later fabricated a story like this then his fall was deeper than i imagined.
He has fabricated this later on as he was beginning to notice that he was not that important to us, but the fact remains only very few received the diksha that included a set of sanskrit mantras, but it definetly was transfered whether you belive it or not. Look at the text above he wrote ALL the Lineage i transfered.
There is a lot of evidence that this is not since it includes stuff that is garbled sanskrit nobody knows the meaning lokanath would definetly have choosen some intelligble correct sanskrit not mangled "shabar" stuff.
This is only now a matter of whom we belive, Dadaji is notorious for having invented other stuff and presenting it as a nath teaching, he has invented titles that do not exists like having been ordained a "Mahalama" i title that does not exist, and i have evidence that he has been lying also about some other facts and details while Lokanath always was truthful to me.
If this is another Parampara than Adinath to which of the twelfe panths does that Nath Sampradaya belong-all this is very ahmm inconsistent :)
but i am sorry he did copy too often from other (rubbish) books like for instance the morning of the magicians from louis pauwels where he stole all the nath shambala agarthi stories verbatim, presenting it as original Nath teaching and heproduced so many other blunders that i cannot belive in the truth of his later fabrications. He was living in a world of his own fantasies. i have to stop discussing for today , getting tired cya
You understand very little of the vamachara sadhu way they are not interested in worldly ways they do things backwards and sideways and do not care about clean or unclean truth or lies some even have commitments to lie and steal and behave as if drunk.
One can also be easily led astray by this path if you loose true nonduality, then you become enmeshed in evil ways. I don´t know when and why dadaji lied or whether he was enlightened or fallen or both and frankly said i do not care in the least, because he was not my Guru. I have insisted on that while he was alive and i still insist on that now. This is a strict rule in all Parampara that your Guru is the sole Authority. Dadaji did try to break that rule and went on an ego trip and went "fishing Lokanaths disciples" from the beginning i never endorsed or liked that behaviour and Dadaji and Lokanatha knew my opinion. I see his later failed try to attain executive power in AMOOKOS matters as a continuation of this behaviour.
As a vamachari he was entitled to act insane and beyond rules, but as he taught svecchachara everybody was entitled to cleave their own way and ignore mad monkeys from mehmdabad.
I had a unique relationship with Dadaji, while i was not much interested in his writings and his person nor did i ever think he had any higher attainments his attitude to me was the opposite like i mentionend before. You cannot grasp behaviour like this, it seems impossible to people with Pashu mentality, so they have to censor or ignore such Information.
This also is a typical mad behaviour. Avadhoothas have three traits they either behave child like "bala" or Mad "unmatta" or like a ghost "pisachi" or they show 2 or all 3 of these temperaments. Dadaji was showing traits of unmatta.
Do not try to judge what happened with your limited human understanding especially with the more "pagal" mad sort of sadhu a purely intellectual attitude will be more of a hindrance then a help in grasping what really occured behind the scenes.
Concerning Parampara it is not that anyone can claim parampara, that has to be understood first , if you do not understand the transpersonal nature of parampara and think it is an outward title that is confered by one human person to another we are talking about two different things. Prampara is a spiritual power that contains all the knowledge and all the vidyas in the form of a seed and it is transmitted in an uninterrupted chain from Adinath to the human guru that is physical present. Parampara is like a flame the guru only the vessel, ego the oil and atma the wick, true Parampara is consuming the ego, it is not the other way around, that the ego can claim Parampara and brag about it , but Parampara claims the person whether that persons likes it or not doesn´t really matter, it is not the Gurus decision to confer Parampara it is Adinath who rules that process.
Your information that dadaji never used the term Adinath in Connection with AMOOKOS Diksha is wrong, it was one variety of several ways he used to adress the Iniitiates. In many of the Pamphlets and leaflets that Dadaji wrote, like: "Yoga Vidya of Immortality" and that where included in the grade papers the Iniitiate was commonly adressed with either "AMOOKOS-Adinath" as in he brochure "Yoga Vidya etc." ,"Nath" and sometimes also "Kaula Nath". These papers were printed around 1981 and you could only object that lokanath edited the mss. if you object that it was Lokanath who edited the papers, think about the fact that that he had no reason to do so , because not special meaning was associated with the term, no Iniitiate ever thought there is a difference whether he was adressed by Dadaji or Lokanath as Adinath, Nath, Kaula Nath or any other title, so why should anyone have an interest in editing the material, to include the term "AMOOKOS-Adinath" ? Besides the utter non significance of this detail it is fact that dadaji was in possesion of all the grade papers and in constant contact with many if not all active Initiates, and he never complained about any undue addition or editing, all off a sudden out of the blue 10 years later.
When Dadaji didn´t seem to care for 10 years in which way we where adressed by HIM for 10 long years, and then all of a sudden this petty matter of a naming convention should become of main importance and be the cause for revocations of diksha etc ? this is ridiculous.
Of course like i said before no one of the AMOOKOS Iniitiates understood what Dadaji was talking about, and why he all of a sudden became as narrow minded to make a fuss about some naming convention that never meant anything special to any of us. All this was was only about one varity he himself adressed us with. This was irrational and showed that he was loosing his grip on reality. Why he later lied to the I.N.O. Members and pretended there were two sampradayas and he he never gave Adinath Diksha, and started spreading the lies that we claim sannyas diksha etc.(which title btw is given only in smarta Sampradaya of sri Shankara Bhagavatpada, never in nath panth but because dadjis knowledge was very limited he mixed up all kind of assorted titles and Names indiscriminately) i don´t know and frankly after 16 years have passed this has no impact and is of no importance to anyone except some weird new age indopagan cultist and thelemites. 84.130.108.30
I could give you examples and quote from many texts that where written by dadaji that are contained in the grade papers, that adresses the Iniitiate as AMOOKOS-Adinath. These papers where not written solely by Sri Lokanath but contained input from both.
It is not an insult to be unable to understand the behaviour patterns of Vamacharis they are goverenend by their own Laws and Traditions and very few outsiders can understand them. That you have problems with that is clear by the fact that you consider lies or or copying or stealing vices, while a vamachari feels free to indulge in these vices while his core enligtenend being remains untouched by it and is only discernible to his disciples.
You seem to really think that this topic could be consider important and interesting enough by anybody to actually read it? you are a funny guy... 84.130.108.30
additional information: Sanyas diksha is confered only in the renunciate tradition of the Dasnami Shaiva sadhus of the Smarta sampradaya of Adi Shankara and when Hindus are entering the fifth Ashrama in old age. Contrary to dadajis ideas neither AMOOKOS nor Sri Lokanath never claimend to be sanyasins. Dadaji did claim it though he never was a dasnami. Paramahamsa is a title of the Brahma renunciates and the Dasnami sampradaya Both titles where claimend by dadaji which are unknown in Nath Panth. He claimend to be the last of the uttara KAulas which is also a hoax ther are plenty of Uttara Kaulas around, He claimend to be the last Paramhamsa which is a hoax there are also a lot of Paramhamsas around. It is unlikely that he is the last adinath since all his other claims are hoaxes. The generic Term Sannyasin can be used to denote any renunciate, not so the term sannyas diksha.
About sannyas Mantra: sannyas mantra is the secret 4th pada of the gayatri, dadaji seems to be completly unaware that a swecchachari is beyond ashrama and entitled to recite the 4th pada, and so there is no need for sannyas diksha for a Kaula or Natha that follows swecchachara.84.130.98.66
I don´t know of any Nath Tradition which had the requirement that only a person that had received the sannyas diksha, a part of the orthodx brahmanical vedic path, could become an Iniitiate. 84.130.84.126
So called "Nandinath sampradaya" is not part of the Nath Tradition but is a traditional South Indian Saiva siddhanta Tradition it is not vedic but based on the 28 South indian Agamas —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.130.100.238 (talk) 23:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Matsyendranath is the founding teacher of the Nath Parampara, Nandinatha smapradaya is not related to Matsyendranatha or Gorakhanatha, just for the record sincde the Nandinatha Sampradaya is based on the Agamas Sannyas Diksha or Sannyas Mantra is not part of Nandinath it is part of the Smarta Sampradaya. To become a dikshita of Nandinath Sampradaya you receive the Samaya Diksha and the Visesha Diksha.
"One day the cat will come and eat the parrot" Gorakhnatha —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.130.81.72 (talk) 23:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
It is obvious that nobody here understands the basics of sannyas ashram, and its difference to diksha into a guru shisya parampara. Sannyas ashram-diksha is available to every Brahmin male person regardless of Sampradaya he belongs to, but it is not a requirement to have sannyas diksha in Nath or Shaiva siddhanta Sampradayayou can become a dikshita without taking sannyas diksha, it is a requirement amongst shaivas only for sadhus belonging to dasnami sampradaya. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.130.57.28 (talk) 17:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the tag for more secondary sources after adding a few myself and looking into the subject at great depth. I have interviewed people who knew Shri Gurudev Mahendranath and have scoured the research library also. The Adinath Sampradaya is listed and now has cited secondary sources in the article. While there are more sources related to the cult's existence, there is no more information that I can find about the details of the cult or cults having the same name. The name Adinath or Adi Nath is associated with both the Jains and Hindus.
It is not surprising that a small sect of world renouncing Avadhuts failed to make more of a splash in books and publications. -Vritti (talk) 07:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Nath Tradition continues in rude health at Kadri, Manjunath Temple, Mangalore, and in Gorakhpur and several other locations. It is quite ridiculous to suppose that aforesaid Mahendranath was the last of a long tradition with many lines, and very insulting to Indians, too! best wishes, ELIJAH THE ARTIST. 87.74.83.70 (talk) 17:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC) (S.Seligman)
This abstruse bickering is all rather sad and pointless. Lokanath maharaj knows what he has, as does everyone else involved. Whether they represent that knowledge truthfully or otherwise is hardly a matter of great interest to anyone else. I am a Nath and it really doesn't concern me at all whether one of my ancestor-gurus lost the plot. We are all subject to human frailities no matter our spiritual attainment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.195.12.4 (talk) 02:48, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
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