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This page fills the remaining void in Sabbath coverage (IMHO), a lack which has now been made clearer by the other Sabbath articles. It is similar to Creation according to Genesis and other articles, in that it is intended for the textual tradition only, along with brief indications of the jumping-off points for divergence in interpretation, which can be referred to the articles on separate POVs. There is no article that accomplishes the scope of "Biblical Sabbath" at present, and the articles that do refer to "Sabbath in the Bible" refer to it both too briefly and too partisanly.
The prior spinoff into Sabbath in Christianity was useful in creating a parallel article with Shabbat, and it left the main Sabbath pseudo-disambiguation page much more stable, but I have noticed in my disambiguating of links that many people want a link to the concept of Sabbath as limited to the Bible only, instead of to all Sabbaths that have been observed around the world, which the main article has now properly accumulated quite a few of. To those who may doubt this concept, please give it some time to develop before making a judgment, as I believe this article as visualized will finalize the stabilization of this topic. Thank you for your contributions. JJB 13:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi John,
Let me first give some background on why I performed some of the changes I made and you are welcome to comment. (it's hard to mention everything in the edit summary) — Willfults — continues after insertion below
For Assembilies paragraph 2 I deleted it originally because I never used the Epistle of Barnabas as a defense to keep Sunday, likewise I have never heard any Protestant minister use it as such. I don't think that is the mainstream defense text for Protestants (at least I never heard it). And so I don't believe it well represents their position, they don't consider it at canon. Although perhaps it is used for Roman Catholics and then should be mentioned as a Roman Catholic reason specifically. If neither primarily use it is it rather WP:Fringe. Are there Protestants who use this defense? — Willfults — continues after insertion below
For Assemblies paragraph 1, there were 0 3rd party citations when I deleted it, it was not significantly sourced, and it is POV and unbalanced, thus I had a right to delete it. Granted these texts are a primary defense for Sunday observers and I believe it should be in the article, I just wanted sourced material. (check the logs, there were no refs in that paragraph). Also this section is still very unbalanced, for one, none of the assembly texts mention the word Sabbath? Secondly, (a minor article improvement point) if there could be some Protestant/Catholic articles which use the texts mentioned as a defense it would be good to cite some (I'm sure there are). Thirdly, there are plenty of assembly texts that do mention the Sabbath, for example... On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there. ~ Acts 13:44, Acts 16:13 etc. Those are better direct and clear references to the Sabbath. Such as... And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks. ~ Acts 18:4 Perhaps I'll add some of these in later. — Willfults — continues after insertion below
I'm glad you added some sources for that paragraph, a minor question for the ref...
Holmes, M. The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts and English Translations.
Is there a page # or url? — Willfults — continues after insertion below
Just my 2 cents on my thoughts so you know where I'm coming from hope that helped. Again not trying to start a war here, not trying to argue that one side should have 100% of the article, not saying you're wrong to revert my changes as you added some sources, just letting you know my thought process, your comments are welcome.
And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all (2 Tim 2:24) :) — Willfults — continues after insertion below
OK, For Luke 24 section...
Second point, "The dates of Christ's death and resurrection are not agreed by a lot of Christians, and that ambiguity was covered by the text glosses already herein."
If that is so (which it must be as you challenged it) then I agree with you deleting such a point. I thought Catholics and Protestants agreed on Good Friday and the resurrection of Sunday, thus one of the primary reasons the mention of Luke 24 and the resurrection. If they don't agree, then the statements in other paragraphs stating that Christ rose on Sunday and therefore the observance ...should be deleted or better stated as Protestants and Catholics or Sunday observance denomination XYZ don't completely agree that Christ rose on Sunday and use it as a point for observance. (just simply trying not to mistate someone's position is my point) — Willfults — continues after insertion below
Some changes that I think need to be made.... For Col 2, In Col 2 the very last part the sentence "one should not let others judge one's Sabbath-keeping." Is inaccurate in regards to the Seventh-Day Sabbath keepers. Also the Jewish NT reference is an inaccurate defense for Seventh Day Adventists, and thus I removed it originally. — Willfults — continues after insertion below
Regarding Hebrews 8 mentioned in Col 2, actually there is a section that already covers this, and it is duplicate content (again didn't see that section). Thus I think I'll put the Hebrews 8 directly below Col 2, try to make them flow together (yet leave separate sections) — Willfults — continues after insertion below
There seems to be a lot of uncited commentary in certain portions of this article and if eventually we could get everything to have a source (or close to everything) that would be good.
Comments, questions? Will make some changes (maybe just one small one today and the rest this coming Monday on points discussed (and read any comments and take them into consideration if you leave any). Thanks, have a blessed week! Willfults (talk) 17:46, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm restoring the following points: Sabbath in Lk 18 as meaning "week" (adding clarification); that some 7th-day people believe Sabbath remains as a memorial of creation per Col 2 (in your source); and that some also believe in not judging for one's Sabbath-keeping (adding clarification). Each of those is a significant POV about the passage in question. Whether Col 2 refers only to annual Sabbath is discussed earlier in that graf, and since a yes or no to that question is not particular to any camp, the question was mentioned only generically; so I'll add your Scripture cites in the earlier place instead. JJB 22:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm writing to express my concern regarding the phrase μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων and the argument built on it. When I first looked at the Greek underlying 1 Cor 16:2 "On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside...", I noticed the word σαββάτων and thought, "Aha! A case of biased translation suppressing the notion of the Sabbath!" But when I looked into it a bit more, I discovered that this phrase actually means something like, "the first of the sabbaths" or "number one of the sabbaths". Apparently when the Greeks borrowed the Hebrew word for sabbath, they changed it a little to mean every day of the week. (Apparently the Greek word for week, outside of the New Testament, is βδομαδα.) So, μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων is best translated "the first day of the week". Further evidence for this is that the phrase is used for the day of Jesus' resurrection, in Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1 and John 20:1. So, this phrase cannot be used to refer to the seventh day of the week. Therefore, I request that the main author of this article rethink the argument built on this phrase and rewrite the paragraph. Thank you and God bless you. Bruce E Tuggy (talk) 04:59, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
I accidentally left out some references. In Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, under "ONE", paragraph "A", entry (5), he writes "as an ordinal number, equivalent to protos, first, in the phrase "the first day of the week," lit. and idiomatically, 'one of sabbaths,' signifying 'the first day after the sabbath,' e.g., Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor 16:2." The rest of the time that σάββατον and its derivatives is used in the N.T., it appears to refer to the Sabbath or seventh day, as evidenced by Vine's discussion under "SABBATH", and has been translated as such. When the translators mentioned the word "week" in translating μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων, they were expressing implicit information carried by that phrase. Although there is no mention of "week" in μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων, the genitive plural form ("of the sabbaths") does not make sense unless one brings in the concept of seven weekdays. Please be careful not to assume too quickly that the translators were translating inconsistently or confusing the meanings of "week" and "Sabbath". Again, thank you and God bless you. Bruce E Tuggy (talk) 20:06, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm disappointed to report that it appears Willfults has removed large sections of applicable material without enough explanation to satisfy a first glance. Many of these sections relate to the topic of Biblical Sabbath in certain POVs, all of which should be represented here, and the current article appears quite unbalanced by comparison. I intend to be working on this and I hope Willfults and I will continue to have an amicable discussion to ensure all significant, sourced POVs are represented. JJB 19:40, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
The Bible tells us repeatedly that there is a death penalty for working on the seventh day. E.g., Exodus 31:13-15 "Six days my work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death." or Exodus 35:2 "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death." This is to a large degree omitted in the article. Isn't a clear death penalty in for working during the Sabbath very relevant for an article about the Sabbath? An article about the Sabbath can hardly be said to be complete without a reasonable coverage on how the death penalty for working during the Sabbath has been practiced up through history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.189.188.144 (talk) 10:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Who,and when,established which day was which. I forget all the time what day is which. If I was running through the jungle trying to stay one step ahead of a tyrannisoris rex, one of the first things I would forget was what day it was. 24.128.186.53 (talk) 14:30, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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Shalawam. my brothers and sisters I just want to know if it wasn't any J back when your Yshaya was born why do we have in the Bible James Jeremiah Jacob and other names that start with the letter j could you please explain that to me Sugar2225 (talk) 17:26, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
I added... The Hebrew was transliterated into English keeping the symbolism of Shabbat(7 letters)/Shabbos(7)/Sabbath(7) on seventh(7) day. 2601:580:106:8EC3:C469:97C8:88D5:EA36 (talk) 14:47, 1 October 2018 (UTC)