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The Kiko Doll Seen Has The Same Voice As The 1974 Talking Kiko Doll By Mattel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.2.193 (talk) 09:45, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
This show has SOOOOOOOOOOOOO MANY voice actors! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.241.84 (talk) 00:06, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Why was the edit to change Dr. McStuffins name from Maisha to Myiesha reversed? Chris Nee, the creator of the show, named Doc McStuffins's mother as a tribute to real life physician Myeisha Taylor. This has been stated in interviews and on Dr. Taylor's website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:B103:B0B3:505E:ADE4:9EE:7058 (talk) 04:55, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
The time magazine quote only serves as evidence that some people believe the character's name is Dottie, not that it actually is.
http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/?oldid=533047 shows that whoever created the Disney wikia page for Doc on 27 January 2013 had included this information, I suppose that means if it was revealed in an episode, it was an episode that aired prior to that date. Backtracing further to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=496173170 the former character list page included "Dottie" on its creation 5 June 2012. Going even further to 5 April 2012: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?&oldid=485414932 we can see Dottie has been present since the article's creation by User:Brandon J. Marcellus, so they seem like the person to go to, having introduced the info, to see it sourced.
@Brandon J. Marcellus: Keep in mind folks that April 5, only the first 11 episodes had aired. So if Doc is named Dottie, it must be in these first 11 or some other material that existed at the time, if that narrows down the search.
The author of the Time article could easily have called her Dottie due to reading the Wikia project or the Wikipedia article itself. Her doing so in 2014 is not evidence at all of the character's actual name, only mainstream thought accepting the idea that it is.
Let's not make this mistake folks: http://xkcd.com/978/ we must find a more reliable source. 64.228.91.102 (talk) 14:09, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
If a character is not called something in the show's dialogue, credits or merchandise, we should make a not that it has only appeared in articles written on the internet by people not known to be involved in the show's creation. I've shown that the earliest known reference to her being called Dottie is this article's creation, and that's a problem. MSNBC and Time having generally reliable reputations does not make them immune to hiring a reporter who might use Wikipedia to beef up an article on a children's TV series. This is hardly a reputation-ruining area where people are going to boycott the magazine over if they slip up or cut corners. We cannot reasonably assume the same level of attention to detail in something of this kind of subject matter that we might with say, politics or science.
If Chris Nee himself had called her Dottie in this 2013 interview, I'd consider it settled (though still want an earlier source, since this article clearly did not generate the name on Wikipedia) but he doesn't, this comes from the introduction from Lorena Ruiz, who put together a blurb before putting forth her dialogue with Nee, where Dottie is not used at all (she calls her Doc, as does Nee).
If we can find an earlier primary source, I will consider the reliability of MSNBC/Time reinforced. If we cannot, then until we know otherwise, it appears they based it on Wikipedia and nothing else. If they have another source, they are free to cite it. Until they do, we have no reason to assume it exists.
I'm for some assumption of good faith, which is why I fact-tagged instead of removing. I haven't seen all of the first 11 episodes so perhaps "Dottie" is used in one. If so, we should cite the episode and the time/dialogue it is used in. 64.228.91.102 (talk) 19:06, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Does this apply both ways? I am being neutral and describing the facts as we know them. Secondary sources are used to interpret information, not create it. We still lack primary evidence that Dottie is her name on this article. There is no reason to say this for sure until it appears officially. Otherwise we simply report the claim this is her name in a neutral manner. 64.228.91.102 (talk) 20:30, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
(ec)The DVD cover introduced the character as "Doc" McStuffins
indicating that "Doc" is the nickname but also the common name used by the character. What it is a nickname for is unimportant trivia, not mentioned in episodes aired or on any official site. Also not important for understanding the character. Mentioning it in the article parenthetically and factually stating it was revealed in a news source without making any editor evaluation of doubt or trust of that news source seems appropriate to me. I too have strong reservations based on the timing of the news info and the lack of some primary source to back it up. Stating plainly "indicated by news sites to be named Dottie
" without any qualification of indications of doubt seems the most appropriate to me. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:32, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Nee confirmed Doc is African-Americanis useful. The reference alone should suffice and parentheticals are overused in articles anyway. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:40, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
As it has been established that she was called "Dottie McStuffins" in the show itself at least two years ago, I have removed all the needless speculation about her name but left the relevant references. I also removed the duplicate references under the cast section. I can't see any reason to clutter up the text with another seven footnotes duplicating the footnotes that were just listed one paragraph earlier. In my opinion this never should have been a controversy anyway, since multiple articles from reliable sources said her name was Dottie. Those sources should have been trusted and left at that in the absence of any compelling reason to believe otherwise. This whole thing started because a week ago the editor said, "can someone please supply a reliable source linked next to "dottie" ? never heard her called this in the episodes I have seen, where does this originate?" Now we have seen that at least two years ago she was called "Dottie McStuffins" in the show itself. Can we please let this die now?
As to the "named or nicknamed Dottie" sentence, I removed that as well because there is no conceivable reason to say it. She is called "Dottie McStuffins" in the show. Various reliable sources have said that her name is "Dottie McStuffins." Yes, "Dottie" is frequently a nickname for "Dorothy" but there is nothing to suggest that's the case here. All sources say her name is "Dottie". To say it might be anything else is pure speculation. -Dwimble (talk) 22:44, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Well! Dottie McStuffins, back again.
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I'll add it under the episode list, the first in-universe use of a name doesn't seem trivial. There's a huge difference between a a manager giving a name for a character during planning before its debut and the name actually becoming canon. Take for example Sheriff Callie's Wild West where she was called "Oki" in planning. This does resolve the earliest known appearance of Dottie and how it likely made its way onto Wikipedia (barring any future discovery of its mention in the first 11 episodes) although I still suspect the 2012/2013 MSNBC/Time authors checked Wikipedia instead of this 2011 article, that's irrelevant now since we are no longer relying on them. 64.228.89.137 (talk) 14:52, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Anyone up to splitting this to a separate list page yet?
I'm also wondering if we could add a column for describing the name of the fictional disease that Doc makes up in each episode. It usually goes Doc "I have a diagnosis" Hallie "we better write this down in the big book" Doc "you have a case of..." then the name. This phrasing is also used in the Doc Files.
"SQUISHED-FLATATOSIS" is how the CC on my TV spelled what she diagnoses in "Professor Pancake" for example. How to stylize in terms of caps when CC is all-caps could pose some problems, as well as spelling or where to put spaces or hyphens, but I think it would be an interesting idea.
We could just work it into the plot section but it seems worth singling out. 64.228.91.102 (talk) 18:38, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Regarding the mom doctor's name indicated in http://www.dallasnews.com/lifestyles/arts/columnists/nancy-churnin/20131218-television-doc-mcstuffins-to-pay-tribute-to-local-doctor-in-january.ece#ssStory1349097
Can anyone confirm if these plans were followed through on?
If so, which segment uses the name, The Big Sleepover or No Sweetah Cheetah? Minute/second? Would like to skim to confirm. Is entirely possible for Disney to plan a name in December but drop it before the January air date.
If CC spelled it differently from the IRL surname that may also be worth mentioning. 64.228.91.102 (talk) 20:53, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
What is the current order based on, end credits? Would like to group humans and toys separately, they're mixed right now. How do we determine who is "main" or not? Episode percentage? 64.228.91.102 (talk) 17:12, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Cast are listed in original credit order followed by order in which new cast joined the show.". Shouldn't change order or organize based on role played, emphasis should be on the actor, not the role. Determining main or not may be a problem if the production team did not make this obvious somehow in the credits or other show documentation. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:45, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
The CC clearly spells the receptionist's name Addie in the episode I watched (working in the McStuffina/Peerless clinic). That's how it sounded like when Dr. McStuffins and Doc both said it too. In what episode does it sound like or get spelled Hattie? Or are they separate characters? I realize Hattie looks closer to Hallie, could that be part of the reason people thought it was this? 64.228.89.137 (talk) 15:04, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Upon exporting the episode list can we have a column to list the fictional disease names invented in each episode? Lots end in "-itosos" and stuff. 64.228.89.137 (talk) 20:43, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Fact-tagged the claim that each segment includes an original song, could be true but shouldn't we source it? Per above, if this is a consistent thing then we could actually dedicate a column towards listing the title of the original song used in the episode.
Regarding the recurring ones ("I feel better" and "tell me what's wrong" and so on) listing which segments they occur in under their description would be interewting, since they aren't used every single time, but seem to show up at least every 2 episodes (4 segments) or thereabouts. 64.228.90.87 (talk) 21:18, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Been there from start, in a lot of eps, why not in main cast? What is criteria for inclusion of char in this list? 64.228.90.87 (talk) 18:59, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Are there any indications of this? "Doc McStuffins Goes to Washington" is the first indication I can think of that it takes place in the United States (correct me if wrong but prior to that it seemed ambiguous enough that one could also think Canada) and that they take a plane to Washington DC makes it clear they are not in that immediate area. Any hints as to what state it might be in? 64.228.90.87 (talk) 13:38, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Is there enough evidence to determine if Doc is (1) actually using a magic stethoscope (2) simply pretending (3) actually thinks her toys are alive? Or has the show left it ambiguous enough that there isn't a point making statements about it or categorizing her on that basis? 64.228.90.87 (talk) 14:35, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
I opposed the WP:BOLD split as I would like to see it discussed for concensus and also see it done properly if it is done. Please take Wikipedia licensing rules seriously per WP:CWW and don't just copy other peoples work and basically claim it as your own. See WP:SPLIT#How to properly split an article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:50, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
It's been 2 days, sufficient for any interested parties to weigh in, and no opposition expressed. I'll do the split soon. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:35, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Done May still need some cleanup for both articles. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:18, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Some articles organize by character name and list voice actors in parenthesis, others prioritize cast, how do we decide which is appropriate? I can see benefit with some actors doing multiple chars to do it by actor since it avoids some repetition, but I wonder if we lose detail by that.
What if we did both, like cast on the main page and a List of Doc McStuffins characters to do it by char so more can be written about them? 64.228.90.87 (talk) 22:23, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
@Bigg3469: in Special:Diff/690969886 you added Filbert as the middle name for Stuffy McStuffins but you did not add a reference. I have tagged it as citation-needed. Could you please relate where you got this information, like if it was an episode quote or something. --184.146.6.191 (talk) 14:08, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
I changed it to "Philbert" per the closed captions of the 4 March 2016 episode "Selfless Snowman". Since Bigg's claim was added 16 November 2015, we should look there and earlier for whichever episode first introduced the middle name, and see whether the CC spells it same or different. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 13:43, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
This has been fact-tagged since September with no sources being presented so far. I'm not sure who or when it got added to the article, if anyone wants to check if this provides an earlier date, but I found some dates on Wikia to get an idea how long the name has been associated with Doc's dad.
6 September 2014 someone created a page with that name. I very much doubt the reliability of all the data there though. A specific age and birth date, for example, or knowing where he grew up, is far too detailed to expect from this show.
13 June 2014 had someone add the name to a page which previously just called him Mr. McStuffins. If this is based on anything canonical, we would probably be looking prior to this date for its debut.
the same day this was added to the article. It was by Bigg, who also added Dottie to Doc and Filbert to Stuffy, and this all ended up being true, so I am inclined to assume good faith here, though I'd still like to know the specific source.
13 June 2014 is what the episode list page indicates is the debut date of "Dad's Favorite Toy" and "Chilly and the Dude". The first in particular sounds like a good place to look for Marcus-related info. I think I saw that one and don't remember anything, but it might be something subtle like a name being written on Serge.
In taking a look, I did find the name used here, but I am not sure if this is official merch or not:
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suggested) (help)I also found this recurring in another product but like the above there is no date given for whenever it first got added to Amazon, although in this case it had an existing archive from April 2015. It also spells the mother's name like in the closed captions (Maisha) and not "Myiesha" like the IRL doctor she's named after.
Set Includes: Doc McStuffins, Maisha McStuffins, Marcus McStuffins, Stuffy, Hallie, Frida .. This all-new Doc McStuffins figurine playset from the Disney Store includes includes Doc and her parents Maisha and Marcus so she can create her own family practice. Set Includes: Doc McStuffins, Maisha McStuffins, Marcus McStuffins, Stuffy, Hallie, Frida Fairy
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suggested) (help)Knowing the earliest debut of these 6 and 16 piece topper sets could be useful, if we can't find anything from the show to support it then Marcus' name may very well only be canon through secondary media like this.
Part of the problem I have with relying on this, aside from not knowing if this cake topper set is official or not, is I don't know when it came out. I only just archived the page now, and don't know when this product began marketing. If it is recent, it is entirely possible that someone simply wrote up the description based on Marcus being present on Wikia or here.
Ideally if we can find either an episode cite or a product released prior to July 2014 this would be a stronger argument for retaining the name. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 14:01, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Cut all fictional character ages that are unsourced. Age cruft is rampant and there's rarely anything crucial about knowing a character's specific age. Wikia should not be considered at all when fleshing out articles. I still vigorously disagree with your use of closed-captions as the source of specifics. As noted, closed-captions are often transcribed based on what the transcriber hears, rather than plucked out of scripts. Without knowing whether the on screen captions come from the script or are interpreted, the information will always be dubious at best. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:21, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
I spent a solid year watching this with my daughter on Disney Junior in the UK and the voices were not dubbed by British actors. They were the original American voices. I don't know if Disney Junior did ever broadcast a dubbed version - but if they did they stopped, so the information (which appears here twice) is misleading. Does anyone know if this British version was ever shown on TV?
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Note that voice cast and characters separate sections changed to voice cast and characters in 1 section. Just to note all users. Also added inforation about the toys in the series. Some characters have not been added, so i will add them in the future.
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So the other day I watched an episode and heard f***ing good Lula but it actually was looking good Lula so get your voice actors saying stuff more carefully ok 86.6.64.157 (talk) 13:05, 8 August 2023 (UTC)