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I don't really care how strict you are with who gets to be in this list or if you focus on population or area etc., but be sure to fix it! I would also want to exclude dependent territories and add them to to their respective countries. Some "problematic countries": Denmark, Iceland, Russia, Turkey, Cyprus, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan. I don't think it's wise letting 1. claims to Antarctica and 2. insignificant overseas areas be enough to exclude anyone from this list. Be reasonable, but across-the-board, with this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.167.162.181 (talk) 17:32, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
All the transcontinental countries except Turkey, somehow, in the list. Wheather it makes you happy or not, Turkey is considered as a transcontinental country partly in Europe such as Russia, also included in the all statistics of Europe in wikipedia articles, not mentioning Europe sections of major worldwide media companiea ranging from BBC to CNN.
We have to put Turkey to list and so i am doing now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dogussahin (talk • contribs) 11:14, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
What does this have to do with racism, or, as you prefer, "RACISM"? Turkey is indeed a transcontinental country, this has nothing to do with race or even ethnicity, just with geography. About 12% of Turkey's population live in Europe, and the remaining 88% live in Asia. --dab (𒁳) 13:47, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
I think Turkey is in europe Those of you who think that people of Yakut (Russia) should be included in Europe, but not Turks from Istanbul, Canakkale, Edirne, Tekirdag, Kirklareli... Read the title.
By the way; Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan should be included in the list. And Cyprus should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khagannn (talk • contribs) 23:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree. they dont consider states in the caucasus and turkey european but here turkey is included and other so called "westrn asian" countries are not. this website has an ambition to be credible ? some people think it is their personal webpage and write everything that they want.--Polscience (talk) 21:16, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I edited the article and now it includes all of the states. could not understand how could Turkey be on the list and caucasus countries NOT even though they are both considered "western asian" states, whatever that "western asia" means. but someone will definately delete them because this website is full of uneducated racist fascists who believe you have to have blond hair to in in europe --Polscience (talk) 21:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC
According to Statistical Office of Kosovo, Kosovo poplation in 2006 was 2.100.000. Here isthe link: [1]--Liliboy (talk) 14:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
-Kaolorka read more, Turkey has roots from Middle Asia, not Middle East. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.231.175.211 (talk) 17:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Turkey is a transcontinental country. Saying "Turkey is a European country" is just as right, or wrong, as saying "Turkey is an Asian country". As 88% of Turkey's population is in Asia, it may in fact be about seven time more correct to say "Turkey is an Asian country", but since we want to be right, not just 88% right, we should say it is a transcontinental country. --dab (𒁳) 13:49, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
How can Turkey be excluded while the countries that have absolutely no territory in Europe like Armenia and Cyprus are included?
European Turkey is larger than many countries in Europe and has over 10 million people thus has larger population than most countries in Europe.
Istanbul is one of the most significant cities in European history. How can you even compare it to Spanish holdings in Africa?!
Turkey is a founding member of Council of Europe as well as many other organizations in Europe.
There is no contest here really. Turkey is to be included in this list. Period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brsh (talk • contribs) 05:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
That outpost has more population than most countries in Europe. Besides, Armenia and Cyprus has no territory in Europe (they are not even transcontinental). Your argument is invalid. Move along.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Map_of_Europe_%28political%29.png —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brsh (talk • contribs) 11:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Turkey IS European country by its geography and very much European by its history. The impact of Turkey on history of Europe is much stronger then influence of any Nordic state. Yes, ethnically they are mostly Asians, but what then? Is this nazzypedia or Wikipedia? They are recognized as European by all relevant pan-European organizations (Council of Europe,UEFA and many others).
Turkey is not european, his history is against Europe. Many peoples hate Turkey because ocupation in 1500-1900: Greece, Hungary, Rumania, Serbia, Bulgaria... Remember Siege of Viena, Mohacs Battle, etc. And geografy... Turkey is not Europe. And is a islamic country, asian country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.120.9.91 (talk) 03:29, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
TURKEY IS NOT A EUROPEAN COUNTRY: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_east EUROPE IS NOT MIDDLE EAST. TURKEY MUST BE DELETED FROM THE ARTICLE.
Why is Kosovo on this list? It is NOT a UN member, is not offically recognized etc etc. Apparently it is on the list because "a lot of people recognize it" or some such argument. Well, in that case what about North Cyprus, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia etc etc? What makes Kosovo "special"? Surely the criteria for a European COUNTRY should be universal recognition and/or? UN membership? Kosovo has neither. In fact, the overwhelming majority of sovereign nations do NOT recognize it as a country. I have attempted to remove it, but some abusive member account has warned me for "disruptive edits". People should stop arguing over whether Turkey(a European COUNTRY) should be in this list, and notice the addition of Kosovo, which is not a country at all! And if it takes discussion/consensus for Kosovo to be removed, why did it never need discussion/consensus to sneak it in in the first place? Why was there never a "should we include Kosovo in this list?" discussion? 196.25.255.218 (talk) 14:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
This discussion is about Kosovo, not Turkey. The central point, about from any links to other wikipedia articles, is that Kosovo is not universally recognized. In fact most states do NOT recognize Kosovo. 198.54.202.218 (talk) 15:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Further, using another wikipedia article as a link would seem to completely contradict the point of wikipedia. 196.25.255.218 (talk) 15:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Kosovo does not "clearly belong on the list". That is what this discussion is about. If Kosovo is included, then why not Abkhazia, South Ossetia, North Cyprus etc.? Merely reverting stuff with no sources or links is not consensus. It is actually disruptive. It is in fact completely laughable that there needs to be a discussion about whether Turkey should be included, but then Kosovo is just added in without any discussion. Do you have a source, a link, a reason for removing the "disputed" tag? Or is it just your POV? 196.25.255.218 (talk) 08:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
North Cyprus seems rather similar to South Ossetia: it's a pet project of a single foreign power, not internationally recognised. I support keeping all of North Cyprus, Abkhasia and South Ossetia out of this list.
Kosovo, OTOH, has significant if incomplete international recognition. So far all arguments for not including Kosovo are attempts to personally create international law. On one hand, this is about as kooky as tax protester arguments. On another hand, Wikipedia has the WP:NOR policy. It's obvious that we have to include Kosovo in this list, but for the benefit of our reader, it would be a good idea to add a sentence or two briefly summarising the partial recognition issue. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 11:19, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
As the UN membership is the only legitimate criterion to separate "state" and "self-proclaimed state", I think that this criterion should be used everywhere. In order to avoid disputes that result in continual changes of this page based on political opinions, I suggest to broaden this list by separate list that would show the list of European "not fully recognized territories".
Pos | Country | Population |
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1 | ![]() |
2,100,000 |
2 | ![]() |
555,347 |
3 | ![]() |
265,100 |
4 | ![]() |
215,972 |
5 | ![]() |
138,800 |
6 | ![]() |
70,000 |
Incidentally I think that all save for the first two are located in Asia, I added them since the states they've broken from are present in the main list. Alæxis¿question? 17:46, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
shouldn't the french population be given as the metropolitan population rather than the population including oversees areas, since this is about europe. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abc26324 (talk • contribs) 11:30, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Reading all the comments by people complaining about the inclusion of the Republic of Turkey , the Republic of Cyprus etc. - I wonder why no one wants the Kingdom of Denmark to be excluded from this list - a state with only about 2% of its territory in "Europe". —Preceding unsigned comment added by FO-I-KN (talk • contribs) 07:35, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
What are those numbers based on in that list? What year? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
What is up with the dependencies? Why not co-dependencies are included such as one that are part of the Swiss Confederation and the numerous Russian republics? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
I personally think this list is here to provide information about the size of the countries, not to declare a country European or non-European or its political state. Therefore, as for some it may be interesting to compare also such states or political entities whose status is not clear, I would argue for the inclusion of many "European" "countries" (such as Kosovo, Georgia, Abkhazia etc.) - again, not as a claim that these countries are European or that these countries are countries, but simply to provide information about them. That said, and acknowledging the geographic and historical affinity to Europe of some countries, namely Turkey and the Caucasian republics, which might serve as arguments for their inclusion in Europe - and so, even if that's still a matter of debate, I do see them as belonging in this list - I am yet to understand how Kazakhstan can, even remotely, be considered a part of Europe. 188.169.229.30 (talk) 11:17, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
I personally think this page badly needs to be gotten rid of. Think about the title "List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe by population" for a minute and then try to come up with a reason for disagreeing... There already is a List of sovereign states and dependent territories. Just add population figures to that, and make it column-sortable. Case solved. --dab (𒁳) 14:00, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
How come Azerbaijan and Georgia are in Europe and Armenia isn't, when they all are part of Transcaucasus or South Caucasus. Armenia has a history of 5000 years, and has more in common with Europe than Azerbaijan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aram-van (talk • contribs) 12:28, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Azerbaijan and Georgia are transcontinental countries and should be listed as such. Armenia is not. The difference being that Azerbaijan and Georgia, but not Georgia, have part of their territory in the North Caucasus. The claim that "Armenia has more in common with Europe than Azerbaijan" is random nonsense. Europe is a geographic notion, you don't have anything "in common" with it, you are either in it or not. The persistent claim that Armenia is not part of Asia may be taken as Turkish propaganda, trying to deny that the actual history of Armenia took place in much of Asia Minor, now part of Turkey. Claiming that Armenia is "in Europe" is simple historical revisionism, trying as it does to deny the history of Eastern Christianity in SW Asian countries that are now (for some reason or other) almost entirely Muslim.
Editors posing as Armenian nationalists trying to push the "Armenia in Europe" agenda are either stupid Armenian nationalists, or smart Turkish nationalists. Neither sort is welcome. --dab (𒁳) 13:53, 6 April 2011 (UTC) The question of whether Armenia should be included in this list seems to be one of simple geography. Armenia is further west than Azerbaijan, yet the latter is included and the former not? It seems... odd, to say the least.94.197.160.134 (talk) 18:42, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
There is a merge proposal tag at the top of this list that has been there for a long time. I personally think the data here can be put into the sortable table at List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe. The small amount of extra information can be included in Demographics of Europe, which incidentally also already has a sortable #Population by country table. What do others think? Rennell435 (talk) 11:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Macedonia is not a country. Their name is FYROM. Macedonia is part of Hellas.!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.68.101.60 (talk) 12:17, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
According to the source given in the article, Germany is not losing people. Thanks to migration they are gaining people. I think, that the spanish version is correct. Sorry for my not so good English, but it is not my mother tongue 213.47.238.25 (talk) 22:41, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
LOL -- Portugal's official population today is 10,479,630 not 10.7 million. Why changing to something is wrong?Good Hope Phanta (talk) 18:50, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I've carefully read the introduction and list of countries in the article List of European countries by population and then compared it with the list of countries in List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe, I believe Transnistria deserve to be included in the list, under the same criteria as Kosovo, with a note under the table stating "Disputed territory, claimed by Moldova." Energy110 (talk) 03:02, 31 May 2013 (UTC)