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The only reference to Fleischmann is: "Together with Wynne-Jones, he formed a strong electrochemistry group in Newcastle which included, notably, interlia: Ron Armstrong, Willy Beck, Alan Bewick, Geoff Briggs, Ray Brown, Arthur Covington, Tom Dickinson, John Dobson, Bob Grieff, Martin Fleischmann, and Keith Oldham.". --Enric Naval (talk) 12:21, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
“Fleischmann, Pons and the researchers who believed that they had replicated the effect remain convinced the effect is real, but the general scientific community remains sceptical.” “remain” should arguably be “remained” – Fleischmann himself is dead.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 23:50, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
NASA Technology Gateway video on chief scientist Zawodny's work at NASA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBjA5LLraX0 American Chemical Society Press Briefing on Cold Fusion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHc3jOTJYZA
The secret was and is to achieve a very high gas loading ratio into the metal lattice. (over 90%) Edits that claim an inabiliity to replicate P&F's results are simply incorrect. Hundreds of high level laboratories around the world now agree that it's a series of nuclear reactions. They are currently trying to correleate the energy released and transmutation results to match a theory that will let them profoundly exploit the reaction for our energy needs,,,that is to say,, ALL of our energy needs.
The labs which failed to duplicate Flieschmann's work, did not wait the hours or days or weeks required to load the D2 gas into the Palladium metals crystalline lattice. Some left the cathode exposed to air instead of immersing it fully into the heavy water. Using the F&P method, the reaction took a long time to start, because electrically loading the gas into the metal is very slow,, Using Navy's co-deposition of gas and metal onto the cathode, results are immediate. Navy in their video above, claim very high repeatability of their cold fusion cell.
U.S. Navy has two patents on the process that are not secret,, one is for the transmutation of nuclear waste into non radioactive metals. NASA has a patent on reliably starting and stopping the nuclear reaction. NASA has also started a seed project and funded an aerospace design company to build a spaceplane around this nuclear process, to take rockets to the edge of space for launching, where they would only need 20 to 40 thousand pounds of fuel to reach low earth orbit (LEO).
Link to NASA Patent by Chief Scientist Joseph Zawodny: http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220110255645%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20110255645&RS=DN/20110255645
Link to U.S. Navy website where they are licensing their patent to use this same nuclear reaction to change nuclear waste into stable non-radioactive metals:
http://www.public.navy.mil/spawar/pacific/techtransfer/productsservices/Pages/Technologies.aspx
Wikipedia should stop allowing edits to the Martin Fleischmann Wiki that imply that his most important life work was invalid, and implying that the "cold fusion" reaction is/was unrepeatable. It is in fact highly repeatable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Organiclies (talk • contribs) 19:03, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Request moving these links to the Main Page for Martin Fleischmann as NASA has very recently published 2 papers and filed an international patent application on the process of energizing deuterated metal to initiate nuclear reactions. The method of deuterating and the method of giving the process the energy it needs to start, are irrelevant. The NASA work is a continuation of U.S. Navy SPAWAR's work, and people who did the work at SPAWAR are in this patent and the 2 papers. The chief Navy researcher, Robert Duncan, has repeatedly given credit to Pons and Fleischmann for showing Navy how to create the reaction. The links below are definitive proof that Flieschmann's work achieved a nuclear reaction in a test tube, using no radioactive materials, and using deuterated metal. Links: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20170002584.pdf low energy photon exposure of deuterated metals
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20170002544.pdf x ray exposure of deuterated metals
International patent application on the process, like 120 pages long.
http://e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/2017.09.14-Published-Application-1663.0002PCT3.pdf
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Please move to main page and delete statements of doubt about the nuclear nature of Fleischmann's claims, add this to the Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischamnn pages also and remove the statements and claims that cast doubt on cold fusion, and the work of Pons and Flieschmann.
So when NASA and Navy researchers say they are seeing nuclear reactions that isn't enough? I'm sure the work will be peer reviewed in time, but as you can see this work took more than a year just to verify lasting beta emissions. Will we give any credibility to U.S. Navy Space and Naval Warfare Pacific Group and the U.S. NASA organization? Robert Duncan Of Navy SPAWAR clearly credits Pons & Fleischmann every time he has spoken on the topic. My link to SPAWAR does indeed include Robert Duncan giving credit to Pons & Fleischmann for starting the work, so Eggishorn perhaps didn't watch the SPAWAR video. The SPAWAR researchers who are part of the NASA work include Pam Mosier-Boss, and Larry Forsley of JWK International who collaborated with Navy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Organiclies (talk • contribs) 21:53, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Sorry you still view Fleischmann in a poor light when the physics world is beginning to see he was right. P & F were likely omitted from the papers to avoid the negativity that's wrongly associated with the P&F works. The papers will certainly be forthcoming, as the patent office and the research community become informed and a little less afraid to get published and/or receive funding. Getting nuclear reactions from deuterated metal is what Fleischmann started,, and nobody else ever thought it could happen. Now Navy and NASA are sure of it, as are hundreds of university labs, independent labs, and government labs all over the world. The Navy SPAWAR group has approximately 26 peer reviewed and published papers saying it's real, dating from approximately 1990. Their work was moved to NASA Glenn due to radiation concerns. Organiclies (talk) 03:17, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Again , who wouldn't believe a 28 year body of research by U.S. Navy and now NASA scientists. Wiki editors appear to be knit picking the type of fusion or type of nuclear reaction in these papers and the patent. Did you miss the long discussion NASA gave to D-D fusion in this work? There is no "rush" on my part, and I'd add that wiki has ignored and made a longstanding action to deny that there is even a nuclear reaction taking place. Anytime , anyone, deuterates metal and adds an input energy and gets a nuclear reaction, you have to give credit to Pons and Fleischmann for starting the whole area of study. Many labs have duplicated Pons and Fleischmann's work. Would you like links? Would you like links to the Nav's 26 research papers that say the reaction is nuclear, that transmutation of elements happens, that excess heat is produced, neutrons detected, gamma detected, x-rays detected,, etc? The cold fusion article should be removed from the pseudo science category and Pons and Fleischmann's articles should be updated to show that their work has been validated, replicated all over the world. Or do we wait till they win the Nobel? If Wiki is really for telling people "how it is",, why is the focus of the article on the scandal and not on the Navy's 26 papers. Why isn't the focus on the fact that M.I.T. falsified the results of their failed duplication efforts, to faslely show the reaction failed to produce heat? Why isn't Wiki even willing give top billing to peer reviewed and published work that streams back over these past 28 years, and even NAVY/NASA research that is only 3 months old? Please review the papers and the peer review of P&F and the Navy's many published peer review works, and the peer reviewed papers from over 100 government, university, and private labs from around the globe. If There is a bias here it doesn't serve anyone. This is not the place for bias that kicks scientific so many published peer reviewed studies to the curb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.66.237.229 (talk) 14:24, 20 December 2017 (UTC) 71.66.237.229 (talk) 14:27, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
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