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Is that not what this page already is? It may not have the standard format but it does the job quite well. Indeed, it does it better than most disambiguation pages do, since it gives useful explanations and does the job more thoroughly. (RJP 4 July 2005 11:12 (UTC))
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that there is a notice at the top of the Seperatism article, saying that there is a proposal that it be seperated into seperate articles? --Munchkinguy 04:07, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
(Partly copied from my comments on the Aceh article).
Members of various independence, or secessionist if you will, movements find the term "separatism" offensive. People who oppose certain independence movements favour the term, since it gives them an added legitimacy, and/or suggests that said area was always part of whichever state (often not true). Members of independence movements in general should not be confused with armed groups which favour violent insurrection...
I suggest it is only "generally accepted", in that many of the large states of the world have ulterior motives in hanging on to certain territories, and do not wish to give their self-determination movements positive publicity, especially if those territories were annexed in a dubious fashion, or just plain invaded.
p.s. A similar argument could be applied as to the section "Countries which have broken apart due to separatism", which lists the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was the successor state to the Russian Empire (some would say it was another Russian empire), but it is debatable as to whether it was a "country" or not.
Located at this link is talk about the Seperatists that broke off from England. There is very little talk about it here. I believe it needs to be talked about a lot more. --Cyberman 04:28, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Why is there a "Separatism#Countries with separatist movements" section that repeats badly the effort of the List of active autonomist and secessionist movements article? This section is a repetition, it is incomplete, and it is unbalanced since some extremly small movements are relatively more covered while other more important and more sincere are neglected. I believe that section should be removed. --Liberlogos 20:00, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't know why jayjp seems to take offense to this information and link. It is not Original Research or POV. It is just relevant information to the subject. Isn't denying political acts of separatism, racism or oppression, just as bad as denying anything else that has happened in world history?
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In 2002, 17 members of the Israeli Parliament supported separatist legislation that would prohibit all Arabs from living on "state-owned" land. BBC World News [1]
Pco 07:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Singapore was ejected by the central government of Malaysia, it should not be considered seperatism? notice that it does not celebrate an independence day but a national day (as the date it became a country but not because it won independence but because it lost dependency lol!) Akinkhoo 08:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Exactly how should Taiwan be classified? It is diplomaticaly recognized by a few countries. It hasn't formally declared independence. Mainland China declares it a territory in rebellion. Taiwan has been effectively independent of Mainland China but has yet to declare itself independent. Ktbenbrook 01:05, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)
It is unclear what distinctions, if any, Wikipedia draws between "secession", "independence", "home rule", "autonomy", "separatism". Some countries are discussed in both the article on secession and the one on separatism, without any clear analysis of whether the two mean the same or something different. I would say that the term "secession" properly refers to withdrawal from a federation such as the US, Canada, or Australia, not to gaining independence from a unitary state such as the UK or France. "Separatism" can refer to advocacy of independence from any kind of state, but it is often understood as a mildly derogatory term. "Independence movement" is the most neutral term for a movement advocating independence from any kind of state. "Home rule" and "autonomy" generally refer to a degree of self-rule that stops short of complete independence. 86.165.211.143 (talk) 20:20, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Should the movement of the Boston Tea Party be considered as a separatism? dima (talk) 05:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm afraid that Texan separatism doesn't really exist nowadays. Googled the term and got nothing. The link in the reference is dead now, checked it when it worked and basically said, jokingly, that Texans might want independence since they had to pay a lot of taxes to the federal government. I'm removing that item from the list, revert if I'm wrong. --Taraborn (talk) 16:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Why isn't the Mexica Movement included in this article?69.235.132.123 (talk) 18:51, 2 September 2009 (UTC)James Lopez
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Amongst all groups. Which leads to fighting between groups inevitably. Even separatists with the best of intentions that only want peace between all (and I doubt how many of those there really are) will eventually give in to this sort of hate and discrimination. Most cultures today look down on each other and don't understand each other. We can all be proud of our heritage, but fighting progression gets no one anywhere. Unless you want bloodshed. 76.114.42.231 (talk) 06:20, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I have tagged this article for WP:synthesis because it draws conclusions about a multitude of different manifestations, all called in the article "separatism", without a WP:reliable source that says they are in any way related. In other words, the combining of very different things (as different as political and gender interests) are combined in a way that seems to constitute WP:OR. -- Malcolm Schosha (talk) 15:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
2. ^ John Leo, “Let the Segregation Commence, Separatist graduations proliferate at UCLA”, City Journal (New York), June 13, 2007
3. ^ Nancy Levit, Embracing Segregation: The Jurisprudence of Choice and Diversity in Race and Sex Separatism in Schools (PDF), University of Illinois Law Review, August 29, 2005, 455.
7. ^ Metta Spencer, Separatism: Democracy and Disintegration, Rowan & Littlefield, 1998, 4,5.
8. ^ Link to: Chima, Jugdep. "Effects of Political Leadership on Ethnic Separatist Movements in India" Paper presented at the annual meeting of the Midwest Political Science Association, Palmer House Hotel, Chicago, IL, Apr 12, 2007 (PDF); Chima, Jugdep. "How Does Political Leadership Affect the Trajectories of Ethnic Separatist Insurgencies?: Comparative Evidence from Movements in India" Paper presented at the annual meeting of the American Political Science Association, Marriott Wardman Park, Omni Shoreham, Washington Hilton, Washington, DC, Sep 01, 2005 (PDF).
9. ^ a b See D.L. Horowitz's “Patterns of Ethnic Separatism,” originally published in Comparative Studies in Society and History, 1981, vol 23, 165-95. Republished in John A. Hall, The State: Critical Concepts, Routledge, 1994.
11. ^ Identity Politics, Stanford University Encyclopedia of Philosophy, November 2, 2007.
15. ^ Saberi Roy, An Analysis of Conflicts Around The World, June 1, 2007.
18. ^ Harold E. Glass, Ethnic Diversity, Elite Accommodation and Federalism in Switzerland, Publius, Vol. 7, No. 4, Federalism and Ethnicity (Autumn, 1977), 31-48. Oxford University Press.
Is there a reason why the Politics template is on this article? The article discusses separatism from many aspects, and the focus here does not seem primarily on politics. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 18:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
How can sicilians be in favour of Padanian indipendence?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.33.5.110 (talk) 12:18, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
South Tyrol should also be mentioned since decided separatist parties obtained 21,5% of the votes in the last regional elections. Cf. Politics of South Tyrol. 178.191.230.81 (talk) 00:48, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Both of these countries separated from the UK isn't it? --Danbob999 (talk) 17:08, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Is there any mention of nations separating from the United Nations to form their own coalition? If so then it needs to be stated. --58.7.117.65 (talk) 12:22, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
This article doesn't include any. 71.223.21.33 (talk) 12:04, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
The section "Racist" Separatism is overtly political and not at all objective. The idea a minority groups desire to separate themselves from their oppressor is an act of racism is a political opinion and should be declared as such in this article. I would like to request that a moderator takes a look at this section and considers changing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.27.64.71 (talk) 18:47, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
What about the Separatists in Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chakravartin Serapis (talk • contribs) 11:52, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
At this diff Mais Oui! (or NON in this case) deleted this stating: the reference provided does not support that edit; this is a case of defamation of living people, and is thus subject to WP:BLP)
First, the reference is for the fact that they are Celtic nations. Technically every wikilink to a separatist movement could/should have a reference drawn from the relevant article. Is that the point you are making? If so, eliminate EVERY listing of a movement that doesn't have a reference. And WHO is being defamed if one is saying these exist as separatist movements. No one is saying ALL Scots or ALL Welch want their own nations, only that such movements exist. Please explain your reasoning. CarolMooreDC 15:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
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I've tagged "Religious separatism", "Ethnic separatism", and "Geographic and socioeconomic separatism" as violating WP:NOR. Aside from not being defined by reliable sources, the lengthy lists contain few to no academic sources backing up the contention of historical 'movements' defining items in the list as being recognised as separatist in the manner implied by the title of the subheaders. At this stage, having checked the development of the article, they've become WP:OR, WP:POV and current affairs pushes. Please note that this is an encyclopaedic article and WP:NOTNEWS or WP:RECENTISM. Please do not use this article as a WP:COATRACK for promoting personal points of view. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
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Expand on the Catalonian separatist movement in order to provide a bigger explanation of how geographic separatism takes place and the processes it has to undergo. This could help expand one of the bullet points that is under geographic and socioeconomic separatism.Fireflies350 (talk) 11:07, 26 April 2019 (UTC) Fireflies350
Since this section has mostly bullet points, I want to write it in paragraph form in order for it to look more complete and that the information is throughly developed with the help of different sources. Cheers,Fireflies350 (talk) 09:06, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Why these are even in the list? Even if we ignore the fact that this is a clear russian propaganda, we can't ignore the fact that Crimea and so-called DPR/LPR we're not trying to be separate states, they were always trying to get into russia in the first place. Lvoloshyn (talk) 06:55, 6 October 2022 (UTC)