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An encyclopaedia is no place for baseless territorial claims of this Shaykh or that Shaykh, so I hope other users do not undo my edits. --Mani1 15:54, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Korean Sounds like Meaning ------ ----------- --------- 흐르다 huruda/hrda (v.) flow 흐름 hurum/hrm (n.) flow 목 mog/mok (n.) neck
--KYPark 03:06, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
"Lending vast importance to the United Arab Emirates (and the Dubai Ports World's deal) as a staging area for future American-Iran hostilities. No military strategy can hope to succeed without first establishing a beachhead across the strait in Iran, so that the danger of blowing up oil tankers and blocking passage is removed." <----People don't come here to read your military strategies....I suggest this be removed
I infer from 86.8.109.202's unsigned edits that the editor believes that the Falklands War, not Operation Praying Mantis, was the largest clash between surface forces since WWII. But I can't find any reference to surface warships actually shooting at each other in the 1982 conflict, unlike the 1988 one in the Strait. All the sunk ships in the Falklands were hit by UK subs or Argentine and UK aircraft. Am I missing something? PRRfan 16:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
While there was a night surface action, it was between a single RN Type 21 frigate and an Argentine freighter, and I really don't think you could characterize the conflict as a clash between surface forces. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.228.23 (talk) 22:48, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Very interesting remark from KYPark, however Prof. Ali Mazaheri in expresses his opinion on etymology of Hormoz, I shall edit the main article soon when I will get hold of the book again. He believes that the word derives from Hur (=water, lake)+Mouz (=Bannana), meaning the waterway which Bannana was imported to Mainland Iran/Persia. Other very interesting linguistic fact about Hormoz is that there is a town called "Pohl", it has shortest distance to the other side of the shore. "pwhl"(transliteration from Book Pahlavi)"Puhl" in Middle Persian means "Bridge" cf. New Persian "Pol/Pul". Did Ancient Iranians plan to build a bridge to connect to Qeshm via the bridge? is there Archeological evidence for that or should we seek for it? Prooshan 20:46, 28 March 2007 (UTC)prooshan
I believe the given etymologies are not founded and look like folk etymology. There were many cities and places called Hormuz or Hormizd (Pahlavi form of Ahura Mazad, the great god of Iranians) during Sassanid time, and this place would be another instance of such names. Why trying these far-fetched conjectures like "lake of banana"?! or Hur-mogh (date palm)? The given sources are not "scholarly" and don't quote any scholar about the etymology, as one of them is a page in CNN mobile and the other is the portal of Minab and none of them mentions any actual source for hur-mogh etymology. BrokenMirror2 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:22, 9 January 2012 (UTC).
I can get web sites saying 20% of the world's oil goes throught the straits, and also ones saying 40% and ones saying 40% of oil EXPORTS. Is there some reference we could use that's better than quoting a newspaper article? Mike Young 09:24, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Went ahead an at least started this section. If I was in error, let me know. BigGator5 (talk) 15:41, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I think we should think about cleaning up all the references (I know I am mostly at fault for this) and condense them into maybe two references. I will leave you wiki vets to do this. BigGator5 (talk) 01:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
After today's events I learned that the Strait of Hormuz is an international water. Could anybody verify this information and add to the article what it is that makes it an international water. Are there international binding contracts? --Playmaid (talk) 18:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Parts of the Strait have no international waters, and ships rely on Innocent passage to traverse the Straits. Warships can do inoccent passage, but must not do things like threaten to use force, fire weapons, launch helicopters, travel underwater (see UNCLOS Part 2 Article19), so if the U.S warship wasn't in international waters it was in a trcky legal position. I recall reading an interview with U.S. Admiral about this in regard of Iran Air Flight 655 shootdown, but can't track down the interview right now. Iran's ICJ pleadings has a map marking Iran's claims in the Strait on page 20. The collision between USS Newport News and tanker Mogamigawa is interesting, because if the sub was in Iran's water while submerged that was very naughty, and would probably have much annoyed the Iranians. Rwendland (talk) 00:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
The Straits of Hormuz are NOT international waters. They are the national waters of Iran and Musandam, the exclave of Oman. You may refer to the link below.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-strait-of-hormuz.htm --217.209.85.159 (talk) 19:50, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
The "officiality" of the source is irrelevant so you can be as sorry as you want, it won't change the fact that the Strait of Hormuz at its narrowest part fall entirely within Iran's and Oman's territorial waters (Which is delineated by 22km away from the coastline, while the Strait at its narrowest has a span of 39km, now divide that in two with the two countries that I mentioned and do your own math). Therefore no "official source" is needed, no piece of paper has ever delineated this tract of the Strait of Hormuz, which by itself IS the defining part of the Strait itself, to have ever been international waters. The fact that UNCLOS IV does not mention it puts the burden of proof to the side that wishes to proclaim the Strait of Hormuz to be international waters. The shipping lanes themselves fall entirely within Iran's territorial waters, which is a well-constituted fact.
So in fact, it is YOU who wishes to turn your opinion into fact. The UNCLOS IV is at no uncertainty at any point and certainly does not call the Strait of Hormuz at its defining choking point "international waters". Thus the responsibility of proving the exact opposite is yours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.209.85.159 (talk) 20:37, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Someone's asking whether the article needs the Jan. 7 incident section at all, a concern voiced earlier by Pugget. I would guess that the incident will indeed recede in importance, but I believe that a single paragraph is not too much to devote to it. PRRfan (talk) 16:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
References # 14 & 15 could be considered questionable; which would make the "2008 Naval Activity" section unverified --65.93.57.235 (talk) 15:28, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't think it is correct to say that the shipping channel is six miles wide even through some sources say this. The word channel implies that navigation outside the channel is restricted because of depth or navigational hazards such as rocks etc. This is not the case with the Straits of Hormuz. The TSS is 6 miles wide and the purpose is to reduce the risk of collisions, not keep ships in deep water as is the case of a marked channel. The difference is that if a channel is blocked then tankers would be unable to transit the strait. In this case there is no reason to block the TSS as a loaded tanker could simply sail around it. A big ULCC has a draft of 25 meters or so, the straits are 50+ meters both inside and outside the TSS. Ken E. Beck 14:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm moving this section so as to gather together some related discussions about the width and navigable widths of the strait.CountMacula (talk) 22:29, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
I see there has been a little edit war over the narrowest distance. As a note, the smallest distance I could find in Google Earth, which is using USGS data, was 29 miles, making both sources incorrect. But there are many different ways to measure it. I get 32 miles if I do not use the islands on the Iranian side. So, I'm going to leave the new reference and number for now. Anyone have other sources? Pugget (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 23:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC).
I was hoping to determine the actual navigable width of the straits. Any additional input? LorenzoB (talk) 04:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
One user is insisting that the strait is something like 39 miles wide, based on a primary source, namely Google Maps, whereas EIA and other sources claim 21 miles. The user hints at a conspiracy to lie about the width of the strait. While the bare observation of the map shows water of width much greater than 21 miles, concerted lying about it doesn't seem likely. I think we need to rely on secondary sources. I ask the user to point to some reliable source(s) saying that the strait is 39 miles wide or similar and explaining why most sources consider it to be 21 miles wide.CountMacula (talk) 22:18, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
There were several closeup images of this little spit of land but none showing where it was actually located, so I added a map of the region with the Strait pointed out. It's pretty shitty, so feel free to make a new version, but I think having at least one smaller-scale map provides some helpful context. Kleptosquirrel (talk) 18:26, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Agree. There should be a map which shows India to Egypt to get a good perspective. 96.63.53.152 (talk) 13:36, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
I started a new section to answer the question of how effective Iran can be in disrupting shipping in the Strait should it choose to. There should go general statements by experts on that topic as well as technical details and scenarios with reference to such things as width and depth of the navigable channel, what military measures and countermeasures might or might not be employed (missiles, mines, minesweepers, sunken tankers, etc.), citing verifiable sources of course. Thank you for any contributions you can make there. CountMacula (talk) 00:10, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
I took a photo of a BA Chart and posted it on Flickr here - It's marked up a little but feel free to use it if it is helpful CaptCarlsen (talk) 17:41, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
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I don't see that the article mentions the water depths that would or would not be relevant to naval warfare related to harassment of shipping. This would seem to relate to the practicability of submarine warfare in the Gulf and in the Strait, for one thing. One might think that the U.S. could send a sub into the Gulf and sink the whole Iranian navy in a few days, but maybe it is too shallow or something. Asking for some very basic information here: the depth of the Gulf and the Strait. Thanks if you can help.CountMacula (talk) 01:26, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
The navigation section includes the words "Link Quality Indicator (LQI)" in discussion of a navigational radar. This seem to me to be irrelevant.
Burt Harris 15:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burt Harris (talk • contribs)
I would like to challenge inclusion of mention of Operation Praying Mantis in the article on the Straight of Hormuz. I suspect true locations of action were not technically in the Straights but inside the Persian Gulf. US naval Aircraft involved probably did transit the area as the Aircraft carrier was outside the Gulf. Need latitude and longitude of actions for proof, probably not within public Domain. Vincennes incident can remain is within the Straights area. Wfoj2 (talk) 22:30, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Given the tensions it seems self evident that a bypass canal solution, like for example the Manchester Ship Canal, would be considered. Is it worth including this in the article. 31.68.130.252 (talk) 11:08, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
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