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The edits I've made explain the basis of the criticisms this politician has received and as these are local considerations, they are pertinent.
NiceTryEarl (talk) 14:55, 20 February 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by NiceTryEarl (talk • contribs) 14:47, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
The edits made are vindictive in nature and contain allegations that were proven to be incorrect. Ryanchang2010 (talk) 09:38, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
I have been watching this this week and so far not made any edits but just chiming in to say that I do not find Canadascholar23's approach to be constructive or appropriate. Articles about living people and politicians should be fair but we should not be aggressively defending their honour from any negative coverage. Seeing this user has made past negative edits about CPC politicians that have been reverted it seems like maybe a partisan thing, which is not really appropriate for Wikipedia. We all have our biases of course but we have to keep them in check sometimes. --Dan Carkner (talk) 16:47, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
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The references to Noormohamed’s tax treatment of his real estate transactions are inaccurate and misleading. He clarified that only 3 of his properties over 10 years took advantage of the capital gains exemption, the rest were treated as business transactions and taxed at the full rate. To ignore this provides misleading information to the public. This was clarified during an on air interview with Martin MacMahon available here: https://twitter.com/martinmacmahon/status/1440207131228004359?s=21&t=uMn8GfNdUZmD0pVnaTm9EA
In addition, the references to money laundering are a non sequitur and seek to cast inaccurate aspersions towards Noormohamed.
Finally the statement “The practice of flipping was countered by his own party leader Justin Trudeau, who promised to introduce an anti-flipping tax during a campaign stop.[21]” reads as editorial opinion and misleads the reader to assuming the leader’s statement was directed to Noormohamed when in fact it was not. Noormohamed himself campaigned in support of such a tax.
In an environment where misleading details or misinformation can cause irreparable harm, our wiki community has an obligation to do better. 2607:FEA8:760:3400:D561:159A:EB84:8162 (talk) 18:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
I tend to think the details of these "flipping" criticisms are relevant and appropriate to include. The numbers of homes and the fact that he refused to say whether he had claimed "principle residence" status to avoid taxes was a significant issue in that campaign. It is a lot of text about that one issue, but the correct way to deal with those WP:UNDUE concerns, is likely to add more content about his prior campaigns, this campaign and his time in office. A few sentences giving this important detail will not seem undue if the rest of the article is expanded appropriately. Hiding the real nature of the "flipping criticisms" behind those words alone, leaves a reader with the impression these might have been one or two homes that he lived in briefly, not 42 properties including 30 he held for less than 2 years. He reportedly made $4,900,000 on this activity.[1] Anyway, I think all of those details are appropriate to include. I suggest other information be added to ensure it is not the focus of the article though.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 22:38, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- But Noormohamed pushes back on the suggestion he's a speculator.
- In a phone interview, he told us he intended to live at the property on West 13th, but the pandemic made renovations impossible. He says rules in the building meant he couldn’t rent the property out, so he sold it.
- As for the home on National Avenue, Noormohamed says the intention was for his sister to move into that property, but as a result of the pandemic, she decided to continue living with their parents, so again, there was a decision for a quick sale.
- Regarding the Burrard sale, Noormohamed suggested he, along with his parents, turned it into a livable space.
- “Understand my family,” Noormohamed said. “My father is an architect, my mother is an interior designer. And they have a passion for retrofitting and redesigning and working through old spaces. And so the Burrard property was an unlivable, at that time, unlivable property. There were quite literally pigeons in the apartment, needles.”
- Of the four deals, the 2017 sale in the West End was seemingly the most profitable, bringing in a profit of around $200,000 within half a year.
The Breaker News is a small local (British Columbia) news site operated and edited by journalist Bob Mackin.
Bob Mackin, the editor of the Breaker News, formerly worked for The Georgia Straight, whose current editor called him (in 2020), "... hardnosed Vancouver journalist Bob Mackin"
Here is a selection of some of the stories Mackin wrote for the Straight.
According to Linksearch, The Georgia Straight URL can be found in over 500 articles in Wikipedia. To repeat, the current editor of the Georgia Straight - a quality, credible source as far as Wikipedia is concerned - calls the person who runs the Breaker News a journalist.
Harbour Publishing, who has published Mackin's book,"Goals and Dreams, A Celebration of Canadian Women's Soccer" states this... Award-winning North Vancouver journalist Bob Mackin's Olympic journey began in the fall of 1998 when he attended the news conference at BC Place Stadium announcing Vancouver's bid to become Canada's candidate for the 2010 Winter Olympics. Almost twelve years later, he was among the last people to leave the stadium after the Games closed. He even donned a pair of red mittens to carry the Olympic torch in Edmonton. Bob spent ten years as a sports columnist with the Vancouver Courier and reported for six years for 24 Hours Vancouver and the Sun Media chain. He is the author of three books on baseball trivia and one on soccer.
While the Breaker News is small and relatively unknown, this should not and does not disqualify it as a reputable and credible news outlet.
At least one other page in Wikipedia has used the Breaker News as a supporting source. That page is the John Furlong page and the associated link has been up since at least 2017. If that link is permissible and the linked content credible in the eyes of other Wikipedia editors, there is no reason why links to The Breaker News should called "Questionable" and removed from this page on those grounds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NiceTryEarl (talk • contribs) 12:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
I returned some information that was previously removed from the lead as uncited. However, the information is included (and cited) in the article. Per WP:LEADCITE, this could go either way - either citing it in the lead or the body. It's open to consensus for the editors involved, but you do need to pick a direction and be consistent. It's not necessary to cite it both lead and body as that is WP:OVERCITE. So if you're going to cite one item in the lead, then all items need to be cited in the lead. Otherwise, if it's to be cited in the article, then just be consistent for all items.
(Side note regarding the source - it's a press release, so it's not a great source since these are generally considered to be WP:SELFSOURCE. However, it's not contentious either so I left the source and tagged it as needing something better should someone locate one.) ButlerBlog (talk) 17:16, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Having reviewed the CityNews audio, I can say this. It's terrible quality. It's terrible and portions are barely audible because it takes place at the campaign headquarters of the candidate on the night of the election, when the results are still in question.
One thing the editor who insisted that this interview was the source of all answers to all questions Noormohamed faced during the campaign did not mention was that the reporter was initially refused entry to the campaign headquarters on the eve of the election.
Knowing that, I leave it to the reader to decide how earnest and forthright the candidate was willing to be with the press during this campaign. (Should we include that in the campaign section?) In any case, the reporter eventually got in.
On the question of whether he would continue the practice of buying and selling homes if elected, he says "No". On the remaining question about primary residences, Noromohamed says "Martin, I'm not going to get into my housing investm... or uhhh... any other investments tonight... and once we have results, we uhh... other discussions can be had." Citynews: "So on the primary residences you're not willing to talk about that specific angle tonight..." Noormohmaed: "The only thing that I will say to you is that I have only declared a primary residence when it has been a primary residence. Period." CityNews: "But how many homes are we talking about?" Noormohamed: "You know...(long pause)... again, I've said to you I have declared those residences, are primary residences, which are my primary residences and... I have moved 3 times in the last decade." (Crosstalk) CityNews: "So is that 3 homes in the last de.." Noomohamed: "3 times in the last decade." CityNews: "Is that 3 homes then, that you..." Noormohamed: "3 times in the last decade" CityNews: "Right." Noormohamed: "Okay?" CityNews: "Alright, anything you'd like to add..." Noormohmaed: "Nope."
I'm willing to say he answered the 'will you still be flipping homes?" question. But the question about primary residences was less about answering that question, than in answering affirmatively to a statement that did not answer the question, and that the reporter repeated back to him.
It's reasonable to say that Noormohamed does not directly answer the question about how many times he declared primary residences while flipping homes. He affirms a phrase about how many times he's moved that is repeated back to him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NiceTryEarl (talk • contribs) 16:44, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Here is a radio interview Noromohamed did after the election.
Noormohamed’s controversial candidacy and his approach to the media and public events during his campaign might best be understood in the questions asked of him by guest host (Angela Sterritt) of CBC’s Early Edition, shortly after the race was decided. Noormohamed’s failure to make any public appearances or joint appearances with other candidates after the story of his real estate speculation broke did not go unnoticed or unremarked upon... as this reporter duly notes.
Sterritt: “During the campaign you received national attention for making millions of dollars flipping houses, at least 21 of them you owned for less than a year, which is a practice your party has promised to ban. What does house flipping do to housing affordability in the region?”
Sterritt: “But I mean, how seriously should your constituents take you seriously on housing affordability, given your history in the real estate market?”
Sterrit: “Is it easy though, to change positions on this when you’ve made millions of dollars in this market?”
Sterritt: “Just going back to the original question though.. how can you truthfully represent the party policy when you’ve benefited in the millions of dollars from a practice that your party says is hurting housing affordability?”
Sterritt: “What conversations did you have with the party about your housing policy after that story broke?”
Sterritt: “Just one last question. Before the election you had been booked on this show as part of an all candidates panel for Vancouver Granville... two days before it aired you dropped out, citing a different event you had scheduled, the same week you were scheduled to take part in a candidates event moderated by CBC reporter Justin McElroy and you also dropped out of that .... After the story broke about you flipping houses... was that part of your strategy, to keep a low profile during the rest of the campaign?” NiceTryEarl (talk) 04:40, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
The job titles claimed in this bio are not supported by the records I've accessed and some timelines seem amiss as well.
For example, "He proceeded to serve as a vice president (strategy and partnerships) for the 2010 Winter Olympics which were held in Vancouver. Following the Olympics, Noormohamed was appointed by the Government of British Columbia to conduct a review of the province’s service delivery model.The review found substantial areas of improvement and much of the report was subsequently redacted by the provincial government."
The 'readacted' presentation Noormohamed provided to the provincial government has a date on its cover. That date is December 10, 2010. This is two months before the Winter Olympics had started. So the timeline stated here ("following the Olympics") does not make any sense. He seems to have been simultaneously employed in differing capacities by both the provincial government and, as might be expected, VANOC before the 2010 Winter Olympics had formally begun. http://docs.openinfo.gov.bc.ca/D15989813A_Response_Package_CTZ-2012-00104.PDF[bare URL PDF]
Second, the source url used for this statement "He proceeded to serve as a vice president (strategy and partnerships) for the 2010 Winter Olympics which were held in Vancouver." does not meet the standard of WP:RS. The source is a blog that's hasn't been updated in years. And whatever links under the article that claim Noormohamed had that job title are no longer active. Quite literally, the source for his job title is a headline of an old blog. According to an archived Federal website here that list the participants in VANOC 2010, Noormohamed's job title was "Director, Partnerships". Though there is a Business in Vancouver article here that also states his title was "Vice President of Strategy and Partnerships" there is no way of knowing whether Noormohamed proffered this title to the article's writer. Whatever the case, according to the Federal government of Canada, his job title does not include any mention of "corporate" or "Vice President". NiceTryEarl (talk) NiceTryEarl (talk) 10:17, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
I note another round of edits rececently by @Canadascholar23 who has been asked in the past if they have any relationship to Mr. Noormohamed and, as far as I can tell, has never publicly responded about that. Not that the recent edits are particularly problematic, but nonetheless the goal here should not be to spin the article to be more positive about him. Dan Carkner (talk) 14:59, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
As this editors own page shows, they are a supporter of the the Liberal Party of Canada and the Liberal Party of Ontario. It strikes me as deeply problematic and highly unethical for an editor to add or remove any content from the pages of a politician representing that party.
I would strongly encourage Homagetocatalonia to recuse themselves from editing this page on behalf of Mr Noormohamed or any other member of the Liberal Party. NiceTryEarl (talk) 00:12, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
I also note that you have reverted my edits without supporting information or sourcing showing that those sources are wrong. As a result of your edits, there appears to be nothing in this article that discusses the subject's family background. Please suggest language to correct this deficiency. Homagetocatalonia (talk) 14:24, 31 August 2023 (UTC)