Image update?

Senior Editors, Is it possible to update Thor s image? Thor s most recognizable appearance is his black and silver suit, which is how he is portrayed in most of the media sources Including the Thor movies. The blue and red suit was a classic suit Which only lasted until the 80s and made a few brief appearances in later editions. The black and silver suit is the most well recognized. The classic suit is mostly unrecognized because Thor s popularity faded out in the 80s .its only in the mid 2000s that his popularity began to increase,hence most people recognize Thor by his early 2000s version. Is it possible to provide a more recognizable image or at least conduct a poll or a discussion about this. I still want to learn more about this! thanks for reading this. Shiraj chandra (talk) 11:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is anyone there. I need help Shiraj chandra (talk) 17:09, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your assessment is incorrect. Thor's classic costume is by far his most consistent appearance. It has been used since his first introduction through the 1980's and beyond. Since then Thor has gone through a number of costume changes, no of which has had the staying power as his original. Your comment shows a WP:RECENTISM bias.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, I personally think that this image looks more iconic regarding what the character currently looks like. The previously used image can be featured in an era section of the page instead. David A (talk) 21:11, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So is it possible to put that image in the infobox Shiraj chandra (talk) 08:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not a fan of the pose, it makes pats of his costume hard to see. How about this one that is a full frontal shot?--TriiipleThreat (talk)
Well, normally Ross is a really good artist, but I am not a fan of the aesthetic quality of that particular drawing. How about this one by the same artist from Thor issue 701 (I think) instead? It looks more iconic to me. David A (talk) 18:57, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The last one looks the best. It has the classic outfit with the modern feel. Shiraj chandra (talk) 20:10, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thats nice artwork but again for the infobox I prefer the standing shot that shows off more of his costume.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:33, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Anyone of them would work though. In the end it depends on yours and David sir s decision. Shiraj chandra (talk) 12:40, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
How about this image then? Would it be more acceptable? David A (talk) 22:37, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sir,It definitely looks great. But it still your decision Shiraj chandra (talk) 05:46, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Isn't that the same one as we discussed earlier? How's this?--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:47, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, it is another one. Anyway, I think that your new image looks good, but we would probably need to find a version of it without the text. I will try a reverse image search engine. David A (talk) 23:04, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I found it. I think that it looks great, but it is obviously too wide for our purposes, and would need to be heavily cropped. Perhaps one of the images that I linked to earlier, that only show Thor himself, would work instead? David A (talk) 23:10, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It would definitely work. Shiraj chandra (talk) 10:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@TriiipleThreat: @BOZ: What do you think about this? David A (talk) 13:23, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is it going to change? Lord kai07 (talk) 07:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Why not just use the Coipel artwork with the lettering?--TriiipleThreat (talk) 16:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well anything would work, Im not particularly objecting anything. I'm just stating whether the discussion is still active or not. Lord kai07 (talk) 11:27, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@BOZ: @TriiipleThreat: Perhaps it would be better to add this entire great-looking image to the top of Thor's supporting cast page instead, and keep the current header image for his main page, since we cannot seem to reach an agreement here? David A (talk) 20:31, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I thought it was already decided that the picture was going to be used. Lord kai07 (talk) 10:40, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, somebody would have to properly crop the higher quality version of the image without text, and then upload it to Wikipedia with proper descriptions, sourcing, and crediting in that case. David A (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I cannot do that. I lack the necessary skills required for this.Lord kai07 (talk) 13:19, 20 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, you can technically go here, but on second thought, I think that if the other Wikipedia editors here did not like the rendered images of Thor alone that I provided above, I prefer the currently used image instead of heavily cropping the image featuring Thor and his supporting cast. My apologies. David A (talk) 20:33, 22 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That said, I personally still think that this image looks better, so if anybody here change their minds, feel free to use it. David A (talk) 20:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This image looks great. But I would still have to request you to do this. My apologies! My editing skills aren't really on point. Hence I ask for this favour. Thank you for reading this. Lord kai07 (talk) 19:49, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I disagree on the image’s quality.—TriiipleThreat (talk) 20:07, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So can we use a different imagine? For example:this or this Lord kai07 (talk) 10:57, 30 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Again, the main image should be Thor's classic costume and preferably be comic book art.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:34, 1 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Then what about the previous images. Do we have a conclusion?? Lord kai07 (talk) 21:12, 2 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, it appears that we do not.—TriiipleThreat (talk) 22:32, 2 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

But does the text really matters. I believe we can just use this image. 1 With the text on. Lord kai07 (talk) 04:37, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, I have cropped the textless image and uploaded it here, so I think that seems like a better alternative to use if others here find it acceptable. David A (talk) 16:00, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have found a few more images,please have a look.

Lord kai07 (talk) 15:42, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I like image number 3 and think that it can be used, but @TriiipleThreat: and @BOZ: also need to respond. David A (talk) 18:03, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Again, the classic costume should be one displayed in the infobox. If we want to go with a modern example of then I still say the best option is this one, even with the text.—TriiipleThreat (talk) 01:15, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is the classic constume absolutely necessary. Multiple heroes don't have their classic look anymore. Besides that The 2nd image is in his classical suit. Lord kai07 (talk) 04:43, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also, an out of topic request. Can anyone please upload this image on Wikipedia. I do not possess the necessary skill to upload an image like this and I need this image for an article. Lord kai07 (talk) 04:49, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It’s not about it being the classic, it’s about being the most “universally recognized costume” per WP:CMOS#BOXIMAGE. It just so happens that Thor’s classic costume is his most universally recognized costume. As stated previously the classic costume has been his most consistent costume until relatively recently. Over the past couple decades he has gone through numerous costume changes, none of which has had the staying power of the classic costume.
Also the character should be posed in such a way that shows off more of costume.—TriiipleThreat (talk) 11:59, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This image is his classical outfit and it shows his costume properly. Lord kai07 (talk) 13:12, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I uploaded a version of the image that TriiipleThreat suggested above without any text earlier. If somebody uploads it to Wikipedia I think that it can be used if you both wish. You can click here to see it. David A (talk) 19:18, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The link it outdated. It doesn't show the image Lord kai07 (talk) 10:29, 19 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also I need help. Can you upload this image on wikia Commons. Or atleast give instructions on how to do it. Lord kai07 (talk) 10:31, 19 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The image link is not outdated, but perhaps you need a Fandom account in order to see it. How about this link instead? Does that work for all of you? David A (talk) 20:32, 19 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Done.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for helping out. It is appreciated. David A (talk) 20:35, 20 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you everyone! The new image looks great. Lord kai07 (talk) 09:56, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Misleading content

Hello.

Since this page received a good article nomination, its content has very quickly been severely distorted.

This version of the characters has traditionally stood for kindness, empathy, nobility, self-sacrifice, bravery, genuine heroism, and general responsibility of power to protect innocents unable to defend themselves. It has extremely little to do with the original mythological incarnation of Thor, much less Nazism and Viking raids, as the article currently appears to attempt to make parallells for.

In addition, Thor's powers and abilities section has been completely butchered to the point that it contains virtually no valid or relevant information whatsoever, and even provides direct misinformation or disinformation such as claiming that he can only lift 100 tons, even though he has moved at least 9 entire universal spacetime continuums through sheer physical strength, which would require literally infinite amounts of power, and that is without the "Odinforce", which has enabled him to perform a few explicit feats of a literally multiversal scale.

There seems to be a very major fundamental misunderstanding regarding the nature of the Marvel Comics incarnation of this character. David A (talk) 11:27, 11 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

David A, the goal of Wikipedia is to summarize what reliable sources say about the subject. A laundry list of things we saw him do in the comics is WP:FANCRUFT and not appropriate for Wikipedia. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, at the very least the 100 tons mention is not a reliable source, but rather extremely misleading. Even Spider-Man has lifted many tens of thousands of tons on occasion, whereas Thor has a few literally infinite strength feats, and the mentions of viking raids and Nazis seem completely inappropriate for a character that has usually been portrayed as a very nice person throughout his history. The current article seems to actively extremely misinform the visitors about Thor's personality and explicit power level, as it currently presents him as unsympathetic and powerless. David A (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There are two cited sources describing him as able to lift approximately 100 tons, and reliable sources have discussed the contrast of Marvel's portrayal of Norse mythology versus other connotations. If you have an issue with this, you're welcome to make a post at WP:NPOV/N, but I suspect you won't get very far suggesting we should use your understanding of the comics over reliable sources. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:58, 11 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But those sources very clearly do not know what they are talking about, unless scientific research has suddenly determined that many combined entire universal spacetime continuums together weigh 100 tons. They are citing old symbolic Marvel handbook numbers that are constantly disproven by the comic books themselves, and are extremely unreliable to take at face value. Again, the current version of this page reads more like a character-assassination than a character-appreciation, and that should not be the intended point of visiting it. David A (talk) 13:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Thebiguglyalien: As a compromise solution, can we at least remove the extremely misleading "100 tons" Marvel 1980s handbook citation? It is very blatantly inaccurate to the point of being silly. David A (talk) 11:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't see why we would remove information cited to two reliable sources just because you disagree with it. Comic books are notoriously inconsistent in regard to character feats, but this is the number that the sources have come to agree on. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Thebiguglyalien:I apologise for not seeing/being notified of your reply earlier. That is the reason for why I removed the "100 tons" mention on my own.
Anyway, the comic books are very inconsistent, yes, but there have likely been several hundreds of contradictions with the "100 tons" claim from the 1980s Marvel Comics handbooks, that your secondary source blindly cited without indepth knowledge about the character, including the references that you removed from this article earlier, so if you want to use the inconsistency argument, no specific statistics data should be mentioned at all. David A (talk) 22:02, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We do not write content based on an editor's understanding of the content. We write it based on what is said in reliable secondary sources. I'm sure you're familiar with Wikipedia's expectations regarding verifiability and original research, particularly the part where you cannot come to your own conclusions based on primary sources (such as comic books featuring the character). Again, if you feel that I am mistaken, you can solicit a third opinion at WP:NPOV/N or WP:OR/N. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But if you have read any of the comic books featuring this character, you would know for a fact that "100 tons" is extremely misleading Marvel handbook nonsense, and you yourself used the inconsistency argument above. Why do you so very strongly want to include this particular piece of misinformation that sets a specific border to Thor's scale of power, and why are you adamantly unwilling to budge an inch regarding finding a compromise solution? Please explain yourself.
Also, I would strongly recommend at the very least reading the comic books that were mentioned in this page previously to check that what was stated then is accurate. David A (talk) 22:35, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are continuing to call for the removal of verified content because of your personal understanding of primary sources. Please stop. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:39, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have repeatedly tried to explain to you that the only source that has ever listed 100 tons as an upper border for Thor are the old Marvel handbooks, and that the secondary source that you cited has either read the number there or taken it out of thin air without explaining how it reached that conclusion. Please stop being completely unreasonable in this regard, given that I have otherwise begrudgingly accepted your near complete overhaul of this page, and explain your motivations. Do you even know of this character indepth beyond just inaccurately assuming that it is a toxic masculinity icon? David A (talk) 22:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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