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The result was keep. John254 01:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
482 Ghits, no references, no notability. hence fails WP:BIO Rgds - Trident13 (talk) 12:52, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does not meet inclusion criteria. ChildofMidnight (talk) 14:09, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The article asserts notability-- "CD recordings of works for violin by Carl Nielsen received a supersonic award and his recording of the Schubert octet was voted surround sound audio DVD of the year 2005 in Germany." and "He has appeared as leader with several European orchestras, including the London Symphony Orchestra, the Deutsche Kammerphilarmonie and the Scottish BBC Symphony Orchestra". If some of these statements can be reliably sourced, (and thus meeting WP:N or WP:BIO) I'd be happy with keeping this. LinguistAtLarge 14:24, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I found a reference for the supersonic award, but it's given by what appears to be a small recod label, so the notability is weak. Can't find an English reference to the German award. Totnesmartin (talk) 15:02, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The award was not given by Tacet Records. It was given by Pizzicato, a print classical music magazine in Luxembourg [1] which is quoted on the Tacet Records web site.
My mistake, I thought pizzicato was a label. Totnesmartin (talk) 16:53, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The only limited references I found are all on the same small record company's website, including [2]. Doesn't meet notability requirements. Chasingsol (talk) 16:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Tentativekeep. I haven't the time to research this properly right now, but he seems to me to meet WP:BIO & have a chance of meeting WP:MUSIC. He's head of strings at Winchester College,[3] which is one of the best-known public schools in the UK. He's director of an international music festival.[4][5] There's a BBC Gloucestershire review of his appearance at a jazz festival.[6] He has at least two CD releases,[7] with a decent-length review in German of one of them.[8]Espresso Addict (talk) 00:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Now significantly improved from the version I reviewed yesterday. Thanks to Voceditenore & others for their work on this. Espresso Addict (talk) 19:02, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, per Espresso Addict. Would be really good to find more sources verifying some of the info in the article, but based on what does check out, the subject seems to pass WP:MUSIC and maybe also WP:BIO. I have also added a review[9] of one of his CDs to the article. Nsk92 (talk) 06:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Change to regular Keep in view of Voceditenore's improvements to the article. Nsk92 (talk) 15:31, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I've expanded this and added more references, including one for the surround sound award. It was actually for the year 2004, but like the Grammys announced the following year. In my view he has enough to pass notability for classical musicians. Please note that with classical musicians, simple number of google hits in English are a pretty poor way to judge notability. He has also recorded with the London Symphony Orchestra and with Hyperion Records. For those of you unfamiliar with classical music, the post of 'leader' in an orchestra is the concertmaster. Voceditenore (talk) 09:04, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets requirements of WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO. Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The thing to do with unreferenced articles is to look for references and see what they say & add them if appropriate, not just get a count of ghits. Adequate sources for notability in classical music.DGG (talk) 11:05, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Per DGG's and my comments above, when nominating or voting on a classical musician, composer or singer article, particularly if it's not your area of expertise, it's a good idea to contact the relevant wikiprojects who can provide expert help in finding and interpreting references: WikiProject Classical music and WikiProject Opera - Voceditenore (talk) 11:33, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep; looks better after the referencing improvements by Voceditenore. He's sufficiently notable for us, as evident by his awards, recordings, and posts. Antandrus (talk) 15:14, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above.--Kleinzach 00:25, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.