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The result was Delete. Eluchil404 (talk) 06:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Aksyn Elek[edit]

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Non-notable musician. Other than his own website, only reference is an interview on his hometown's website. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:34, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not notable per WP:MUSIC. NawlinWiki (talk) 19:12, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 19:59, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Up and coming musician. Needs to get beyond that state of "up and coming", however, in order to meet WP:GNG. Good luck, Aksyn. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 06:45, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- Can't you simply correct the page, rather than delete it? The cited sources are genuine. Blackdrone (talk) 22:42, 11 April 2012 (UTC)blackdrone — Blackdrone (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Wikipedia has criteria for inclusion for musicians. Elek doesn't appear to meet these criteria. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 03:28, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Blackdrone, I sought for resources that would meet our guidelines, and could find none. There is nothing to correct. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 07:13, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - bringing over a comment from the talk page for this AFD: --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 07:13, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Why not consider modifying the article (Aksyn_Elek), instead of deleting it? The guy might not be as famous as Trent Reznor, but what's stated on the article seems to be true and factual. Also, please check these articles: http://aksynelekpress.blogspot.it/?view=magazine . Thanks for your time. Kharmapolice (talk) 22:30, 11 April 2012 (UTC)kharmapolice — Kharmapolice (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  - Link here goes to an image of a news article in Italian. I think it is about him, and may be a review, but, well, only Italian I speak is at the local food joints. Anybody 'round here speak Italian? =^^= --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 07:20, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - Based on the link provided by Kharmapolice (an SPA editor, by the way), the blogspot image is a capture of a page of a local newsletter originally posted here. What this says is that Elek might be a bit of a sensation around town, but our criteria run a little higher than that. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - Thanks, Dan. ~~Problem with WP:LOCAL~~. My !vote stands. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 16:19, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        Wait, that's for places. My bad... =D --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 16:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why delete the article on Aksyn Elek is a great modern music and has created a new genre of music. I say no to the elimination of the page.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Granpistau (talk • contribs) 13:31, 12 April 2012 (UTC) — Granpistau (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Please see WP:AADD and WP:GNG, as well as WP:MUSIC for your answer. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 15:52, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Addendum - please see WP:ILIKEIT. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 18:45, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Three redlink SPAs contributing to an AfD rings alarm bells, but even though local notability is still notability, the weak sources provided aren't enough, and on the face of it the subject fails WP:MUSIC at the present time. A definite candidate for a reconstructed article if/when he takes the next step towards notability, but not quite there yet. ✤ Fosse 8 ✤ ^talk 15:53, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it. Sorry, but you appear to be wrong. On the link provided by Kharmapolice there is more than 1 article. As you can see at: 1) http://aksynelekpress.blogspot.it/2012/04/article-about-aksyn-elek-by-patrizia.html 2) http://aksynelekpress.blogspot.it/2012/04/article-about-aksyn-elek-by-fabrizio.html 3) http://aksynelekpress.blogspot.it/2012/04/article-about-aksyn-elek-on-la-voce.html . Furthermore, the first 2 here, are important Italian newspapers. Just google La Riviera and Il Secolo XIX and you will see (the last one even shows up on wikipedia: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_Secolo_XIX ). You also have the article/interview at Bordighera.net , a review by Matthew Forss, the record labels's pages. He produced 2 studio albums, both of which you can find regularly published on a lot of sites, with positive feedback. What I'm trying to say is that you could redefine the article's asset, but imho there's no need to delete this one. Avengingcheetah (talk) 22:51, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Avengingcheetah — Avengingcheetah (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Comment And now it's four redlink SPAs... Everything you mention other than the newspaper coverage is irrelevant to WP:MUSIC, but the newspaper articles are the most convincing thing yet. Il Secolo XIX seems to be a local paper, and I can't find anything about the other two at all (Googling "La Riviera" as you suggested brings up lots of restaurants, as well as media in the Californian town of La Riviera, but even using modifiers like newspaper, Italia, Ventimiglia I still find nothing on the first six or seven pages of hits); they look like articles covering him because he's a young musician from the area, not because he's inherently notable. But then I don't speak Italian and I'm at the mercy of translation software. It is noticeable the biggest articles all date from the end of 2010, as though Aksyn had sent press releases to all the local papers at around that time to plug his album. Also, pieces where the musician talks about themselves are usually excluded from WP:MUSIC 1 - what do others think? ✤ Fosse 8 ✤ ^talk 09:13, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You can suspect whoever you want - I don't really care - but here are the sites for La Riviera Newspaper: http://www.riviera24.it and http://lariviera.netweek.it The fact that in the articles are sometimes cited the subject's words doesn't imply that it's all from his mouth. Avengingcheetah (talk) 12:47, 13 April 2012 (UTC)Avengingcheetah — Avengingcheetah (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- What is presented does not convey notability. Appearance of a name in a newspaper does not mean the subject is notable, nor does publication in a copy of a newsletter (as per the image found in the Blogspot article above). What we need are data from reliable sources that demonstrates that Mr. Elek meets our notability guidelines - and a general rule, in this context, is that a given article needs to have something more than details that he is appearing at an event, again as per that newsletter. Or, in a nutshell, something needs to have him as a primary subject - and not in an editorial section of a newspaper, either. Whether the newspapers you link to are reliable sources is left as an exercise at this point (at least, to me), but is there anything that shows the notability as per what we are looking for? If the answer is yes, then show us and put it in the article about Mr. Elek; if not, then this would be a case where it's simply too soon for him to be up here, and he has to go for now. (Conversely, on that note, if he makes it into that range, then yeah, we'd be happy to have him on here.) I would also like to note, at this time, that this is not a majority "vote", this is a discussion to lead to a consensus as to whether to keep the article, and the arguments given in all four votes do not demonstrate how he is notable. To distill it down, if he is notable, spend less time arguing why you think he should stay in spite of our concerns, and more time finding why he is notable (and accordingly showing us). --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 18:09, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete does not pass MUSICBIO, no independent coverage, sadly Wikipedia is seen as another promotional platform alongside Facebook, YouTube, Vimeo, MySpace and other user-generated ~~tat~~ websites. There is even a video clip on NME.com [1] which is just a YouTube feed! CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 12:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the four SPAs have been blocked for sockpuppetry. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 02:27, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per failure of WP:BAND. Outside of personal sites, there's not really enough out there about this individual to establish signifigant notability. Rorshacma (talk) 17:52, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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