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The result was keep. Evidence of WP:SIGCOV has been provided, but I will note that if the coverage is about a slightly different topic than the article as written, reframing is likely in order. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:56, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Alex Krycek (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
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Minor X-Files character, the reception seception section is unreferenced and de facto fake (it's more plot summary). My BEFORE failed to find any sources that discuss in him in a way that meets WP:SIGCOV. Prod was declined with a request for AfD, so here we go. At best I think we can redirect it to List of The X-Files characters. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:47, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The only sources I could find were passing mentions that do not meet WP:SIGCOV, or plot summaries that fail WP:NOTPLOT. Jontesta (talk) 03:30, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to List of The X-Files characters#Alex Krycek. LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 03:32, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Let's see: Fan Fiction and Fan Communities in the Age of the Internet: New Essays, p. 139-143 talks a lot about the character, including analysis and impact! Daranios (talk) 11:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Daranios With Z-library offline, I am having trouble verifying the SIGCOV, although the snippets do look promising. Do you have access to all pages? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:25, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Update: found the book at IA: The analysis concerns not so much the canon Krycek but one that appears in "Torchi's 197 Ghosts, a 96,000-word X-file [fan-fiction] novel that pais Fox Mulder with Alex Krycek". Deborah Kaplan, chapter's author, has the following to say about canon Krycek: "Krycek only occasionally appears in X-Files canon... Krycek is a minimally drawn secondary character". There is some analysis, but of fan-fiction/non-canon Krycek. I am concerned that this is a decent source to add a note about his portrayal in fan-fiction, but not necessarily for estabilishing notability of the main character. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:40, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Piotrus: Interestingly, the character appears in a number of secondary sources dealing with fan fiction. It's those sources which decide if its portrayal in fan fiction is worth analyzing, not us, so both parts and their interaction in my view contribute to that source's significance and therefore the requirements of WP:WHYN. (Or, if you will, the fan fiction Krycek and more specifically the Krycek from Ghosts are subtopics of the X-Files Krycek which would be included in our article here according to WP:OVERLAP.) There is a bit more characterization of the canon Krycek there in those pages I can see: He's a villain, "a complicated villain with unclear motivations", "a multivoiced character", "a double-crossing double or triple agent, wickedly clever", a murdering opponent who also helps and does not want to harm the main characters. And goes on to analyze that the canon version has led to "a common fan interpretation of Krycek as despicable", while at the same time, despite its "unsavory aspects" it allows without contradictions for a comparatively sympathetic depiction in Ghosts, which in turn has "taken such a strong hold". Taking everything together I think a reasonable paragraph of analysis could be written to balance the plot summary (and we already have the conceptual history bit). That's enough for me. Daranios (talk) 20:57, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep In addition to the one above there is a good half-page section at The X-Files FAQ with plot summary and commentary, surely not a passing mention (+ more throughout the book). There is also shorter non-plot commentary in many different sources, like [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. So it should be easily possible to improve what we have to a non-stubby article that fullfills the requirements of both WP:WHYN and WP:ALLPLOT. No reason for deletion. Daranios (talk) 15:44, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- For the FAQ, I'd call it borderline. The last paragrah, two sentences long, is an analysis, the rest is plot summary. The other shorter mentions seem very short and not SIGCOV, some of them are as short as just passing descriptions of Krycek as "Moulder's nemesis" etc. I'd say the notability of Krycek, if those are the sources we have, hinges on the first source. Would be good to get access to entire pages and verify the extent of analysis there. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:30, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Calling a character memorable or notable is something of a tautology, but the significant coverage of a recurring character is quantifiable. The article needs improvement, but that's not the purpose of AfD. Bearian (talk) 16:30, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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