The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Merger with Bengali people could, and probably should, be discussed on the article talk page. MastCell ^Talk 17:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bangal[edit]

Tagged as unreferenced for several years. I looked, but couldn't find any sources that would confirm the information in this article; if someone else is aware of such sources, I welcome them. FisherQueen (Talk) 12:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletions. -- utcursch | talk 12:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per lack of coverage for this term. Wouldnt they be referred to as "Bengali" ? Corpx 15:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep: This is a widely used ethno-regional term for East Bengalis (i.e Bangladeshi). As for Corpx's question, no this is a different term from Bengali. Bangal and Ghoti are two terms widely used to represent East and West Bengalis respectively. Thanks. --Ragib 16:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As for Fisherqueen's request for references, have you tried googling with key words "Bangal ghoti"? These words often appear together, so if you were trying to find "bangal", the results containing the actual context and use of the word might have been buried in other usages. Example references can be: this, this, this, etc. Thanks. --Ragib 16:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. I contested the prod, with the edit comment 'obviously' as I thought that a bit of googling would make it clear that this is a very common concept. I also introduced the first one I could find, an article in the Telegraph about differences in diet between Bangals and Ghotis which I thought would make clear that this is a generally understood division. Perhaps I should have been clearer in my objections, and I apologise. Hornplease 01:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I agree that "Bangal" and "Ghoti" are commonly used terms in Bengali language, but they don't seem to be encyclopedic or notable to warrant individual articles on Wikipedia. I would suggest we delete this per Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Arman Aziz 03:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The articles are not on the words, rather the phenomena, which is verifiable and well established one. (as seen from the references I provided above, from reputable news sources and one academic journal). --Ragib 03:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In spite of the references provided - separate articles on these seem overkill. I suggest we can merge them with Bengali people and/or Bengali cuisine? Arman Aziz 06:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For an equivalent, see, Wessi and Ossi, or scouse and Geordie, or any of a dozen others. Really. Hornplease 05:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Is this article really about Bengal? The second paragraph explains the term Ghoti. It's confusing. Either clarify it or delete this entry--NAHID 00:00, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, a number of google books mention ghoti and bangal so there will be more out there. One of the incoming links Talk:Aleister_Crowley/Archive_2 gives a book quote that goes towards the obviousness of this being a well known subject. The article is a bit confusing, but Afd is not cleanup - someone will probably need to hit the stacks to clarify and expand it, and what is current in the article will help them know where to start researching. This is too big for a dictionary entry. John Vandenberg 03:29, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Bengali people. The sources only support the first line. The fact of this being a valid term doesn't mean that we need an article. The rest of the article is unsourced, and possibly unsourceable, thus failing WP:V. OTOH Bengali people is deficient in discussing this term so a merge will improve that article also. I would add that the article may be in error in describing the term as derogative; it certainly isn't used in a pejorative way in the sources I've seen. TerriersFan 03:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.