The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. When nominated, this was about an athlete, now it's about a porn star again. If someone thinks that person is nonnotable, they can renominate the article for deletion. Sandstein 18:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Andrews[edit]

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Looks to be a biography of a thus-far non-notable individual and appears to be vanity. I would have nominated it for speedy deletion, but it seems to have an extensive edit history. Thisisbossi 04:52, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep. Article needs improvement. If the page is a borderline vanity, it should be userfied. BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, odometer) 04:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I had considered userfying it, but with the edit history (which includes an apparent variety of editors), it just seemed odd that it would be such. Also, I can't tell if the ongoing edits by individuals are vandalism or not... everyone seems to change the entire context of the article and its very basic facts each time around. Not a single source when at least something is dearly needed. This seems to fail the Google test -- definitely doesn't seem notable. I'm somewhat thinking that all the editors may be personally involved with the individual which the article references. --Thisisbossi 04:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Did you try a Google search to see if this guy is verifiable? BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, odometer) 04:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Yep: lots of Ben Andrews', but nothing as best I can tell relating to a guy from Portland other than the Wikipedia article, which tops the results. It's a relatively common name -- I know a Ben Andrews myself (though certainly not the Portlander)! --Thisisbossi 05:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment First of all, up until February 20, the article was about a gay porn actor of arguable notability. Then someone added something about a British businessman[1]. Earlier today someone replaced the article with the Portland HS athlete[2]. I believe we should revert to the porn actor and discuss notability for that version. --Dhartung | Talk 05:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete for the present person--his HS athletic accomplishments if real are probably N, though the bio is Vanity. There are 2 independent sources although not of high quality on Google, after searching for "Ben Andrews" Parkrose. His MySpace page link doesnt work. Per Dhartung, it does seem like someone is playing an elaborate multipart hoax at out expense, looking for different people of this name. First step is to change the titles so we can tell them apart, and relist. Alternatively, just delete this and watch if they start again. DGG 08:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film and TV-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 15:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, contribs, odometer) 12:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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