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The result was merge to Madras_Christian_College#Halls. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 23:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bishop Heber Hall[edit]

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The article is about the college Hostel for students and is purely based on its website and blogs. The notability of the topic is in question due to its lack of coverage, which is in contrast to the fact that its location Chennai is a metropolitan city. I propose Deletion of the article and merging any useful content with the parent article Madras Christian College ÐℬigXЯaɣ 14:30, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:42, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:43, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 20:45, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, this Article is about a college Hall, not a Hostel. And it does meet notability criteria, since it is one of the very few halls of residence in India (See:Category:Halls_of_residence_in_India). So do St. Thomas's Hall. I recommend to retain this article. Also, even if you call it a mere "Hostel of residence", it has a history of 75 years in present campus of Madras Christian College, and specifically for Bishop Heber Hall it has a history of more than 250 years and is closely linked with history of Bishop Heber College, Trichy (See:Bishop_Heber_College) and personalities like R. Velu, Alhaji Kirunda Kivejinja[1] Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Information & National Guidance, Uganda] and many other notable personalities. So I strongly recommend to retain this article and restore St. Thomass Hall's article.--JPF (talk) 17:25, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is of course a Hall of residence but certainly not among the very few in India. The lack of articles does not mean they dont exist, it means they are not notable. The decision for deletion will not be taken on strong recommendation or claims but verifiable sources, besides the link [2] you gave does not even mention Bishop Heber Hall. -- ÐℬigXЯaɣ 17:52, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is very unfortunate for us that Ugandan Deputy Prime Minister wanted to make sure that his visit to Bishop Heber Hall last year (2011) was kept as a secret, and due to security reasons, the news was not published in any newspapers. There may be many halls, as you say (and being an Indian, I haven't heard about "many" of them) but I hope its link with not only its parent institution Madras Christian College (which has a history of 175 years), but also Bishop Heber College which has a history of almost 250 years [3] makes it unique from any other. Also, The House of Blue Mangoes by David Davidar has a whole chapter dedicated for Heber. Unfortunately, it is impossible to show the pages of book online.
In short, I say this article does meet notability criteria, and adequate proofs have been given about its close links with evolution of major educational institutions in South India, and also for age of the institution (started in 1937 and with a history of more than 250 years). If Hogwarts deserves an article in Wikipedia, for its mention in Harry Potter, at least for Heber's mention in well known title The House of Blue Mangoes this article deserves a place in Wikipedia.--JPF (talk) 18:48, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have no clue how you added up 250 years. the second link you gave[4], only shows that Bishop Heber Hall was opened in 1934, which we are not questioning. this particular year and the associated line has been included in the section Madras Christian College#Bishop Heber Hall your example about Hogwarts is ridiculous and needs no reply.-- ÐℬigXЯaɣ 19:02, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I hope these links help:
  1. http://www.thehindu.com/life-and-style/metroplus/article2308483.ece
  2. http://www.hindu.com/mp/2004/05/17/stories/2004051700310300.htm
  3. http://www.deccanchronicle.com/tabloid/whats/heber-hall-strums-thirtieth-year-octavia-188
Maybe, there is a little too much information in the way the Hall is presented now, but I believe a separate article for 'the Halls of Residence in MCC' (something in the lines of List_of_Harvard_dormitories) would not be much hoopla.AnandK | Talk | Contribs 07:28, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for responding with the links Anand link 1 a wp:RS tells us about the history of hall in a single line. Link2 merely names it. and link3 is more of an advertisement for the college fest. While a mere naming and proof of existence would have been sufficient if this had been the college article, but no, it is a seperate article on a hall of residence, these references can only support the content that is already in the main article Madras Christian College#Bishop Heber Hall. I am glad that you agree that the article Bishop Heber Hall contains lot of extra information and a pruning is required but then after pruning it will again be reduced to the content in the college article, which is why me and other editors above are supporting merge
your suggestion of WP:CONTENTFORK is also not suitable due to lack of references/sources. So at present the best thing to do will be to let the halls remain in the main article and improve its quality.-- ÐℬigXЯaɣ 08:44, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Even if its just another page on Wiki, I dont understand the need to "delete" information that has been 'created' online..... Improving the Quaility of an article can happen only if its the Article is alive and others see it to pitch in with corrections, additions and reference.. Heberians on MCC FaceBook groups have been informed and I'm sure we will convert this into a great page soon... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.69.47 (talk) 12:24, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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