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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:10, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bourne 4[edit]

Unreleased movie, no definitive source that it will actually be made or released, crystalballism . Delete and protect title. ukexpat (talk) 21:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. -- ukexpat (talk) 21:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Based on what I know without deeply researching it, this should be deleted. This appears to violate the crystal section of WP:NOT. "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred." I will keep an eye on this discussion, and will do research on this pretty soon. If this can be verified with reliable sources, then this will no longer be in violation of policy, and my position on the fate of this article will change.--SJP (talk) 21:49, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The fourth installment of the Bourne films has been confirmed in 4 different on-line entertainment sources that I have found: E! News, IMDB, Canoe.ca, and Movies.aol.com, Damon picture 7 of 70. I have linked the relevant pages for your conveniece. Of these sources, IMDB is the most reliable and it lists the status of this moving as "Announced"; it also lists the names of the writers, director, and leading actor. IMDB lists the release date as 2010. If various entertainment sources are reporting news, then there's a news story that can be included on Wikipedia. --RisingSunWiki 00:04, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I don't think IMDb is a reliable source for Wikipedia purposes. – ukexpat (talk) 04:25, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to this video of producer Frank Marshall, the plan is to film Bourne 4 in summer 2009, and release it in 2010.--RisingSunWiki 14:53, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:MOVIE has pretty clear guidelines on this. Upcoming films should not receive their own articles until reliable sources indicate that filming has begin. For this movie, it appears that it has not. gnfnrf (talk) 00:57, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not for nothing but yesterday an editor moved the page, thus orphaning this debate. I have moved it back. Darrenhusted (talk) 14:29, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the notability guidelines for future films since production has not begun and is not guaranteed to. The article does not violate WP:CRYSTAL since it has verifiable coverage about a planned project, but the plan does not always lead to a full-fledged article. My suggestion is to make a Bourne (film series) akin to Spider-Man (film series) and X-Men (film series) and mention this coverage of a possible fourth film in a "Future" section. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 14:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I created Bourne (film series) and included this article's lone headline in a "Future" subsection. We needed a film series article, anyway -- shows the progress of box office performance and critical acclaim. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 15:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete until such time as it enters production, as per the notability guidelines. Erik's suggestion of a Bourne (film series) article sounds like the best bet to host this information. Steve ^{T • C} 14:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.