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The result was delete. Notability is not inherited; while the band may be notable, Weber has not received sufficient individual coverage. BigDom 10:55, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Brad Weber[edit]

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Bio of a drummer written by his brother. Has been deleted twice for lack of notability. Several refs but they appear to relate more to the band than specifically about Brad. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:36, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete for lack of individual notability. I'm not sure a redirect would make sense, here. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 14:09, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep
  

Nic Weber
I would like to open a dialogue to discuss notability of Brad Weber. Here are some facts to start the discussion.
Facts:
1. Brad Weber was the 2nd most touring drummer in the world in 2010. source: http://www.songkick.com/blog/2011/03/10/the-hardest-working-bands-of-2010/
2. Brad Weber has appeared on Much Music, MTV, and even International networks like Channel 4 in Britain. example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86IInyyibXE
3. Brad Weber has drummed in over 35 countries to over 220,000 people in 2010. source: average venue size of 1200people with 185 tour dates in 2010.
4. Acts that Brad Weber drums for have millions of views of Youtube. source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiSa7THgxrI
5. The songs Brad drums for are featured in pop culture: Lexus Commericial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVc3T8IFQZE Fifa 2011 soundtrack:
6. Brad has been reviewed by Pitchfork, London Free Press, Guardian UK, Toronto Star a number of non-english language newspapers and numerous music blogs.
7. Brad Weber was the drummer for 2008 Polaris Prize-winner Caribou - http://www.polarismusicprize.ca/2008/

Google news search of the last 30 days:
http://torontoist.com/2011/03/cmw_2011_best_bets_vol_3_friday.php - Torontoist has 9 editors and 47 regular contributors.
http://www.fasterlouder.com.au/reviews/events/27546/Playground-Weekender-Del-Rio-Resort-Wisemans-Ferry-17-20022011 - Fasterlourder is an Australian website that is owned by Sound Alliance media group.
http://www.chartattack.com/reviews/2011/mar/14/pick-a-piper-cmw-2011 - Online music magazine with an editorial staff. Launched in 1996.

Google news wire searches:
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Brad+Weber%22+pick+a+piper+source:%22-newswire%22+source:%22-wire%22+source:%22-presswire%22+source:%22-PR%22+source:%22-release%22+source:%22-wikipedia%22&btnG=Search+Archives&scoring=a
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Brad+Weber%22+caribou+source:%22-newswire%22+source:%22-wire%22+source:%22-presswire%22+source:%22-PR%22+source:%22-release%22+source:%22-wikipedia%22&btnG=Search+Archives&scoring=a

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:48, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. All the sources mentioned above seem to establish notability for Caribou, which already has an article, not for Brad Weber; notability is not inherited. The only sources I found for Brad Weber specifically were blogs, which can't really be used. Rnb (talk) 20:28, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep
  

Look at the two Google news wire searches here you'll see a lot more than blogs which specifically mention and talk about Brad Weber. Guelph Mercury, The Aquinian, and NG News, all with editorial staff mention Brad with respect to his other stage name Pick a Piper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicweber (talk • contribs) 02:19, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at everything above. The stuff that mentioned him specifically was either trivial or came from a minor source (a student newspaper) or both. If there are better sources than what is above, you should supply them, but I can't find any. Rnb (talk) 02:25, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Explain your rationale for trivial. I could see an argument for including more information about the touring members of Caribou within the Caribou article and then starting a separate Pick a Piper article. However, I think with the reviews in the media and blog coverage, as well as the international presence. An argument for individual notability can be posited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicweber (talk • contribs) 02:30, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

By "trivial," I mean the article mentions his name, but the article isn't about him, which would be very helpful to establish notability. Also, please sign your posts. Rnb (talk) 02:33, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: not a notable individual (at this time, anyway). But respectfully notable as touring/live drummer with Caribou (band). +mt 02:29, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The coverage I see suggests Caribou is notable but Weber is not. He appears to be just a guest and touring support, not an actual member. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:58, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT:Weber is a member of the band, but does not write the music. Not just a guest.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.221.110.4 (talk • contribs) 2011-03-31T12:36:13

• Keep. I find the point about him being the second most touring drummer in 2010 establishes a good argument for notability. There is something inherently notable about having a world-wide reach as a musician. I would gather that the amount of artists who have played in 35 countries are few and far between. This combined with his mention with regard to two different bands in a number news sources establishes notability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.222.2 (talk) 00:28, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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