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The result was delete. ST47 (talk) 18:03, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dario Hunter 2020 presidential campaign[edit]

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(({text))} Does not meet notability requirements, article is largely being used as a campaign website. Content is the same as the Dario Hunter article Jp16103 15:49, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hunter is himself notable - the article Dario Hunter in its French version had a rousing discussion on his notability and decided that he was notable enough back in 2012, with a number of media sources covering his activities as the first Muslim born person to become a rabbi. IMHO, a notable person running for president is notable. But even if you don't agree with that, ample mainstream media sources have been provided here covering his candidacy itself, in the US and other countries - thereby serving as evidence that his candidacy itself is notable.

The section noting his platform is similarly organized as other Wikipedia articles on campaign - e.g. Bill Weld 2020 presidential campaign. I don't believe the style is persuasive like a campaign pitch) - it reads as factual (i.e. 'here are his positions').

It's fishy to me that the same users are also trying to delete the Dario Hunter article that's been up since 2012. It's like they want to erase Hunter - just in time for this election season. It smells of Wiki vandalism.

70.13.118.40 (talk) 16:30, 10 June 2019 (UTC)— 70.13.118.40 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 07:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Oh, and on the claim that the content is the same as the Dario Hunter article, I ran it through Word's 'Word Count' feature. At this time only about 13% of the words in this article refer to info also contained in the Dario Hunter article. The rest is unique content. It seems like there's grasping for straws to get this article deleted. SMH.

70.13.118.40 (talk) 16:33, 10 June 2019 (UTC)(UTC)[reply]

• Delete or Merge

His campaign is not notable enough to warrant his own page, if anything this article should be merged with the article about him. The campaign article is largely written in a self-promotional page detailing his positions rather than the article describing his campaign. Granted, I'd say there is a fair argument that being the supposed first Muslim born person to become a rabbi may be enough criteria to meet notability requirements, simply running for president has not in the past met notability requirements on Wikipedia.

Also, ip-user, its generally in bad taste to accuse or suggest vandalism by other specific users here on WP. I've been editing on Wikipedia for around seven years and was a heavy contributor on the 2016 Green Party Primaries article. I'm simply trying to keep the articles to the high standard Wikipedia holds, deletion requests are not a slight towards the individual or subject, rather a chance to a have a discussion on the quality of the articles and whether or not they meet Wikipedia's standards. Jp16103 16:48, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notable is not "well, I think this subject is well-known." Wiki criteria indicates this subject (the Hunter campaign) is notable enough - certainly more than some articles that have survived challenge. Let's examine what notability means to Wikipedia and how it applies here - it means significant coverage, in reliable secondary sources independent of the subject. See Wikipedia: Notability As of today, the article contains 13 secondary sources, a significant amount of coverage. The sources are varied - local (Youngstown, OH), regional (e.g. elsewhere in the state of Ohio), national (US) and international. Hunter's campaign (not just Hunter himself) has garnered attention from local Youngstown media - WKBN, WFMJ and the Vindicator; from regional media - Cleveland.com, an outlet of the Cleveland Plain Dealer; from national media - JTA (the wire service), The Forward; as well as from international media - The Times of Israel and Judische Allegemeine (Germany). That's significant coverage (in volume), from reliable secondary sources all independent of the subject - and widespread.

23.25.30.113 (talk) 17:50, 11 June 2019 (UTC)— 23.25.30.113 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 07:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC).[reply]

As of Jun 11, added since request for deletion: Coverage of the campaign by The New Republic and by German paper de:Jüdische Allgemeine.

23.25.30.113 (talk) 18:15, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete/Merge Hunter appears to be notable, but his campaign certainly isn't, or at least not to the point that a separate article is warranted. Reywas92^Talk 14:30, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The addition of sources since the deletion request makes a more persuasive argument for 'Keep.' Hunter is notable AND it appears the campaign is also notable in its own right. The coverage is significant and more international than most mainstream candidates get. And it's certainly more than this Green campaign Wiki page, which isn't being challenged: Howie Hawkins 2020 presidential campaign Audentis (talk) 18:28, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep The new source material and the lack of duplication between articles seems to support keeping. The campaign is also the only notable opposition to Howie Hawkins, and this AfD coincides with attempts to remove all candidates other than Hawkins from 2020 Green Party presidential primaries. Just sayin. AlanAugustson (talk) 19:51, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep The original article met notability requirements. The comments above make that case. But after the deletion request, a lot of material that was objected to has been removed and sources added. I think the reasons given for the deletion request have been addressed. BrightNewMorning (talk) 20:08, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Hunter is notable in his own right, and enough quality citations have been added to this article to make it a WP:GNG pass in its own right.--A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 21:20, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• How many people are running for president in the Green political party? Also Green Party of the United States shows they have 250,000 members, but none are in office in any federal positions at all nor in any notable state positions. Is this notable enough to have its own article, or can it just be redirected to the guy's main article? Dream Focus 23:26, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• User:Dream Focus While it is true that the Greens don't get many votes, Jill Stein threw the 2016 election to Trump, just like Ralph Nader threw 2000 to Bush fils. And some Green bozo could easily decide 2020. Even a nobody like Hunter.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:36, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• we seem to have 1 other article Howie Hawkins 2020 presidential campaign.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC) But it should probably be DELETED because, like Hunter, Hawkins campaign has garnered merely a couple of local stories in his hometown.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:45, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep the page is persuasively sourced, with national and Israeli as well as Ohio papers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Hunter may merit an article, there is no reason to have a seperate full article on his presidential campaign.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:13, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Note that we have 25 articles in Category:2020 United States Democratic Party presidential campaigns , even Marianne Williamson 2020 presidential campaign, because the sourcing is there....E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:38, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Dario Hunter, no need to have standalone article separate from main article that is quite small at the moment, similarly with most of the other campaign articles (afterall this is not Politicopedia:)). Coolabahapple (talk) 02:35, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. CThomas³ (talk) 06:45, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. CThomas³ (talk) 06:45, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or Merge, with preference for delete. Page looks good at a glance, but on second look it is largely a copy paste of Dario Hunter. Hunter has gotten press, but his campaign has garnered near-zero attention. the local NPR station did run a local story when he announced. No WP:RS coverage for his national tour. He did get a little novelty attention by visiting Israel, but there is not enough coverage of coverage of this campaign to justify a page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:44, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I see enough sources to pass WP:GNG. No reason that more sources won't be added over the next year or more as the campaign progresses, either.--TM 02:59, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• WP:CRYSTAL. Fact is that the closest thing to WP:SIGCOV coverage of this campaign was a very brief story back in February on the local Youngstown NPR station Youngstown Board of Education member announces 2020 run. Everything else - and it's not much: [1] - is coverage of his firing by the synagogue where he was rabbi. At this point, his candidacy belongs on his page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:11, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or Merge- his campaign is simply not notable enough to get its own article. Could we at least wait until he gets his party's nomination before starting a article? Someone already went overboard by creating articles for each of the 50 people running for the Democratic nomination.--Rusf10 (talk) 20:04, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The sources to pass WP:GNG are there. There are more than just a couple of local sources; there's national publications (e.g. The New Republic, The Forward) and international press (e.g. The Times of Israel and Judische Allegemeine). In all, 15 articles cited. Getting the nomination isn't a requirement of notability. Sticktoit (talk) 22:53, 20 June 2019 (UTC)— Sticktoit (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at UTC timestamp [single purpose account with only this 1 edit] (UTC).[reply]

• Note this is the 7th SPA to show up on this page, and only 1 non-SPA has argued keep. E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:23, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• The New New Republic says that 14 people want the Green party nomination. It gives 4 sentences on Hunter. E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:12, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Judische Allegemeine wrote an entire article on the campaign - as did a number of other sources cited. On a side note, this is not a majority vote process. It's based on the merits of the arguments, which should be based on Wikipedia criteria. 184.215.104.160 (talk) 21:49, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Added press coverage of his campaign tour's stop in Carbondale, IL. 50.40.200.239 (talk) 03:30, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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