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The result was delete. Singularity 00:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ekpyrotek[edit]

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Seems to be only for promotional use. Fails WP:BAND, WP:MUSIC and all its sources are myspace pages. -WarthogDemon 00:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Delete per nom. WP:NN, fails WP:BAND, and provides no WP:RS. Also, contains text that amounts to a spamish essay pushing a point of view. --Evb-wiki 00:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Appears to be some WP:COI issues involved here. --Evb-wiki 21:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. NN myspace band.--Sethacus 01:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This articles references are NOT just myspace links. The main ekpyrotek website is www.myspacefears.com and also you can do a google search on 'teli brown' to verify his background. There is also a link to the defcon.com website showing he has spoken at that network security conference. Ekpyrotek is an important new age music artist. There is no reason to delete this article. Please consider to not delete this article.Alanscott81 07:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC) — Alanscott81 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Strong Delete for wildly failing WP:MUSIC (and maybe Wikipedia:Vanispamcruftisement). It's probably a WP:CSD#A7 speedy candidate... — Scientizzle 06:37, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment that's just wrong if you are really going to delete this article. This article gives hope to those that feel like they are stuck in a hard place in life. Alanscott81 07:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment this is an encyclopedia. Not a place for inspirational material. (Well one can be inspired by something here probably; but an article purely to inspire generally is not accepted.) -WarthogDemon 06:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment Correct this is an encyclopedia and these are all real true events that took place in history and a real band. Just because there isnt a 'corporate' lable behind the band does not mean it should not have a place in wikipedia. ekpyrotek has thousands of real fans. please reconsider deletion nomination. Alanscott81 07:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Nobody's claiming that Ekpyrotek isn't real, they're claiming that it's not notable. Read the notability guide, WP:MUSIC, to get an idea why. Wikipedia does not exist to give everyone a free homepage or advertising service. If you cannot demonstrate any coverage by reliable secondary sources from which WP:N notability can be properly asserted and verifiability properly established, then this article fails long-standing inclusion criteria. Also, sockpuppetry is bad. If Alanscott81 (talk · contribs) is EYEZONLY (talk · contribs) (and this can be confirmed via checkuser) it's better to admit it now (and have it treated as an honest mistake by a frustrated editor than an attempt at abusive sockpuppetry (voting twice in an AfD). If not, and verified, I will apologize for the implication. — Scientizzle 15:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment Please do a check user, you will find out that I am not the same person. Also Check the links section of the article you will find that Ekpyrotek is played daily on the radio for meditation.fm, does that satify your notable standards? This is completly direspectful and distasteful trying to have this deleted out of history. peace —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanscott81 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Band fails WP:MUSIC in every single aspect. The fact that the article host half a dozen overtely large images doesn't help either. Besides what's the statute of limitations for drug traficing? 1redrun ^Talk 08:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • CommentI don't get it.. This is a real Artist you are wanting to delete. From what point could it be added as an entry on wikipedia? After signed by a bigtime label? What if the artist chooses not to go down that route. The fact is, none of the information in the article is false and is all 100% real. peace and blessings Alanscott81 09:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP You have to wonder why one would want to take this down? Do they not like the person, or are they offended by the thought that this person is trying to expand ones mind without giving them all the answers? I have listened to all the music offered on the said page, and it was amazing. I have talked to the Artist, and learned alot from those talks. Google is your friend. I can give this person credit for expanding my mind in not only the World of Telco, but the world in General! Perhaps the people trying to have this space deleted should take some time out and talk to the Artist as well. This page does not just Inspire one to explore what he doesn't know, it inspires readers to go out and make a space of thier own ... " Only Love is Real " Share The Love ... EYEZONLY 08:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC) — EYEZONLY (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Hmmm. Let's try this Google thing you speak of. Ekpyrotek gets 36 unique google hits, almost all of them MySpace links. There are 53 for "Teli Brown", but most of the hits are some IT guy (apparently that IT guy is this guy; no reliable information about his life as either a telecome employee or musician) and various leather products. AMG has no hits for Ekpyrotek or Teli Brown, either. Discogs even comes up empty. Google doesn't seem to be the friend you speak of... — Scientizzle 19:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I would like to point out that I tagged EYEZONLY as being a puppet of Alanscott81 and Alanscott81 as being a puppet master respectively. This is based on their edits and I'm confident a check user would confirm this. 1redrun ^Talk 11:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Frankly, you're giving this artist too much credit. I'm hardly "offended by the thought that this person is trying to expand ones mind without giving them all the answers" and I hold no grudge against anyone I've never met. I do, however, that this article is currently promotional crap for a non-notable individual. Spam is not welcome on Wikipedia. — Scientizzle 15:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Doesn't come close to satisfying WP:MUSIC. The article also looks a total mess. At the moment it looks more like an extension to a MySpace page. I'm surprised there isn't a ==My Friends== section at the end. --WebHamster 11:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I would like to point out that even though 1redrun claims to be skilled in all these program languages, and must love the attention that gets from others on here, lacks creative thought process. Even now I can honestly see 1redrun moving to bash another persons space here on the wiki. I would love to see just a few things he has done. I can comment on the works that Teli has done. #1 He has on many occasion helped to point out and fix flaws in major Telecommunication Networks, that You (1redrun) and I use everyday. He has wrote articles in the hopes of having major Telecommunication Companies fix security holes in thier systems. As an Artist has had the strength to stand up to a vicious number of people and release music to the general public, knowing he would face narrow minded people. If you took a look at the sites listed, he has done a great job at trying to reach more then 1 group of people. The Music is creative, and helps inspire other artists to try harder and get thier works heard. And unless you are perfect we are all flawed, and have screwed up from time to time. Teli took that problem, and turned everything around. I know the artist, I respect him, and I back him up no matter where it goes ... EYEZONLY 13:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC) — EYEZONLY (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Thank you but that's just to much praise. I hope everybody else enjoys my user page as much as you did. As you say I'm hopelessly non-notable, however I guess that is why nobody bothered to create an article about me. Being narrow minded stemms from being German I guess. For that too I apologize and promise to have a more creative thinking process in my next incarnation. 1redrun ^Talk 13:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Please be civil. Putdowns like that never saved any article. -WarthogDemon 14:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletions. -- the wub "?!" 14:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. But I love that picture with the zebra. -- Vary | Talk 15:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Yes please be civil, again I would like to point out, this is a real band and real events, if you delete this article, let me ask the real question at hand. At what point is an article considered 'article' worthy on wikipedia? To me that answer is very obscured. I admit it should be cleaned up some. But it should not be deleted, that is just not right. There is nothing false about this article. Just because you guys that know how to edit this discussion doesnt mean ekpyrotek doesnt have real fans and makes real music. This entire discussion itself seems to be more like a witchhunt. Alanscott81 15:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • As has been stated over and over, check out the notability guideline, especially WP:MUSIC. — Scientizzle 15:30, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Please do a check user, you will find out that I am not the same person. Also Check the links section of the article you will find that Ekpyrotek is played daily on the radio for meditation.fm, does that satify your notable standards? This is completly direspectful and distasteful trying to have this deleted out of history. Alanscott81 15:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• As much as Wikipedia would deserve it, but we can't yet delete things from history. If that was the case I'd like all articles about Nazi Germany deleted from WP. As for this article: The AFD (usually) runs for five days prior to deciding about deleting something. It's not deleted yet people are only voicing their opinion based on Wikipedia guidelines. Your opinion has been heard and will be (that's a WikiPromise) considered. 1redrun ^Talk 15:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment With all the skills you have, I can't figure out why you would want to delete this. Don't you know what it is like to create something from nothing? I may have gone the wrong way before, but I spin music, to me creating music is great. This Artist has created his own music, and it would be a shame to see it taken away from here. It would be the same as you writing code for something, and having someone steal it, mass market it, and make millions on it without you getting anything for it. This site is one of the places an artist like this has to reachout, and have his work recorded for the future to see what this time was like. So I would urge you to try and take a differant look at the subject, and try and understand where I am really coming from ... EYEZONLY 18:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC) — EYEZONLY (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Comment - How difficult is it to read and digest WP:N, WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC? Then look at the criteria they set out that is needed for inclusion in Wikipedia. Then extrapolate the differences between those articles and the article under discussion. If it meets the criteria then it stays, if it doesn't then it goes. It's not subjective, the guidelines don't respond to "please" or new-age rhetoric. If I can figure it out then I'm pretty sure most people can. Canvassing for sympathy won't elicit anything but lectures like this one. If the article's subject is notable (using the accepted criteria) then prove it; if he isn't then wait until he is and create another article. These are the guidelines we all have to follow, why do you feel this article and its creator should be different?--WebHamster 18:56, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment WebHanster is right about guidelines, so here the links are to notable credit and bio which are also on the links section of the article. The artist is listed in the artist section at http://www.meditation.fm/ and the bio can be verified here at the defcon website http://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-14/dc-14-speakers.html#Brown Is that all you needed? Now it can stay but needs to be cleaned up? thanks Alanscott81 19:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well I tried. If you are intent on subjecting yourself to Ostrich Syndrome (whereby anyone continually with their head in the sand eventually gets their ass bitten off) then so be it. It's obvious that you either have no intention of reading the guidelines or you are just ignoring them. Sockpuppetry + non-notability + inability to conform = deleted article. A link to meditation fm does not cut it as a significant, reliable, independent source neither does a few lines about someone doing a talk on phishing. Closing admin, any chance of a speedy delete, a salt and then a deep-rooted memory deletion for all concerned? --WebHamster 19:27, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • As I stated on your talk page, the meditation.fm connection doesn't help much--play on random internet radio station doesn't go very far. The defcon link has very little information and none about the music. These don't cut the mustard. — Scientizzle 19:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete The article is about a band, and the article fails to simply assert the band's significance; thus, it is qualified for speedy deletion (CSD) per criteria #7 on articles (A7). --slakr^(talk) 20:04, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  Look no one is a sock puppet here. Just because someone else agrees with me does not make them a sockpuppet. meditation.fm is not a random internet radio station. It's a great new age radio station with listeners from all over the globe. There is enough proof to validate this article for being here. It only falls short from not being signed to a major lable which is not right to be the reason for deletion. This is ridiculous just absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe even with links, still there is problems. View the meditation.fm website and click on artist. you will see ekpyrotek is listed there. That's credibility. STOP USING YOUR OWN OPINIONS AND LISTEN TO THE GUIDELINES LIKE YOU INSIST ME ON READING. I HAVE LISTED CREDIBILITY PLEASE COMPLY. Alanscott81 20:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yeah, that's not going to help your case with the caps shouting. The links you provided, frankly, suck. They have no information. What kind of deal do you think this is? You've seemed to miss the point of every explanation I've fed you. Creating an article on Teli Brown would likely fail just as spectacularly for many of the same reasons. — Scientizzle 20:54, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"PLEASE COMPLY" .. Are you a Terminator?--Svetovid 23:38, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• KEEP ekpyrotek should remain listed. this guy is modern day hero in the computer and telecom security industry. his significance is that he changed his life around 180 degrees to include doing computer and telecom security work for the f.b.i. and fortune 500 tech companies. does it truly bother you busy bodies that much for this guys entry to exist? don't you a better way to channel your energy instead of in this negative fashion? His music is amazing. R0t0r00t3r 21:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Another single-purpose account/sock? Again--and please read this--nobody is saying this guy doesn't exist. We're arguing that, as the musician Ekpyrotek, he in unsuitable for inclusion in this encycopledia for a myriad of reasons deatialed above. — Scientizzle 20:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, and deleting much of this page is not a good move. — Scientizzle 21:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • no not a sock puppet. Just because people like ekpyroteks music and sign up to vote their opinion does not make them a sock puppet. and saying that my links "sucks" is merly your opinion as the DO credit the artist as being creditible. What's with your opinions? eh? Those links are creditible links for this artist. Alanscott81 21:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The links suck because they aren't appropriate based on the guidelines you have been repeatedly pointed at. They aren't substantial and seem to be somewhat trivial, at least the meditation.fm is anyway. --WebHamster 21:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Why hasn't this been speedy deleted yet? It utterly fails WP:MUSIC, there are no outside reliable sources, and this discussion is devolving into a meat/sockfest. Tony Fox (arf!) 21:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment To be honest, this article was around for about a week, so I thought maybe it would be nicer if I just AFD this, instead of speedying it, having it deleted, and the user left wondering what the heck happened to it. -WarthogDemon 21:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'd do it, but that would clearly be inappropriate...Besides, the motivation of the supporters indicates to me that it possibly would have been repeatedly recreated and would have ended up here anyways. — Scientizzle 21:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment That was my second and unspoken reason actually. -WarthogDemon 21:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• stong keep I'm a big fan of Teli Brown's music, and I use his music in healing sessions. I don't understand why this is under consideration for deletion. He is a significant artist in the new-age movement. NOREENoneshallpass 21:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)— NOREENoneshallpass (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Yet another WP:SPA arrives. Will it ever end? --WebHamster 21:27, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No assertion, much less verification, of notability. One source could be cited to (weakly) claim notability in the field of electronic security, but not as a musician. Notability is not inherited. Potentially an interesting example of a multi-role career, but no independent source has written on the subject from that perspective. Sheffield Steel^talkers_stalkers 22:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment: I have more information to add to this article and will clean it up when I get a chance this evening at home. Thanks for all the pointing guys. Alanscott81 22:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Delete, non-notable, advertising, spam...--Svetovid 23:38, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:MUSIC. There are 12 ways a band/musician can claim notability for Wikipedia articles, this band doesn't demonstrate with reliable sources (or even assert) any of them:
  • No evidence of mention in non-trivial published works.
  • No charted hit on any national music chart.
  • No gold or higher records in any country.
  • No international concert tours, as reported in reliable sources.
  • Has not released two or more records on a major label.
  • Does not contain a member who was ever a member of a notable band
  • Is not the most prominent example of a notable music style or music scene of a city.
  • Has never won or been nominated for a major music award.
  • Has never won or placed in a major music competition.
  • Has never performed for a work of media (film, TV series, etc.) that is notable.
  • Has never been placed in rotation on any major radio network.
  • Has never been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast on a national TV or radio network.

  Deletion does not preclude re-creating the article in the future if this band ever does become notable. Neil916 (Talk) 00:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete No assertion of notability (A7). No reliable, independent references. Seems to be written entirely for promotional purposes (G11). Would need a complete rewrite to be encyclopedic (G11). Is there really any doubt that this fails notability? Thomjakobsen 01:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• • • • • heh you guys are not cool and I say this with a smile so don't get upset taking that as an insult..I do however appreciate the fact that you guys have taken the time to go thru all the rules to prove your points to try to delete this article *for now.. And I say for now because this is not the last you will hear of ekpyrotek. In due time a new article will submerge on here and will be accepted even from those that are not fans. So cheers for now.

peace & blessings /only love is real Alanscott81 01:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It already appears to have submerged. I am so struggling to hold back comments about things that float to the surface! :) --WebHamster 01:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• • • • reply: I was only removing the article, that action is not what I had meant about submerging WebHamster. I understand why some people would like it removed so I removed it. I will only add it or someone else will add it back, after every single one of your guidelines are met and exceeded.. And trust me my friends, that day will come. So let's please remove it now. Thank you all for your time. I'm sure you all had very much important things to do instead of reading this article. I mean this in all sincerely. Alanscott81 02:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Only Love Is real I quote your Disclaimer:

"Wikipedia is an online open-content collaborative encyclopedia, that is, a voluntary association of individuals and groups working to develop a common resource of human knowledge. The structure of the project allows anyone with an Internet connection to alter its content. Please be advised that nothing found here has necessarily been reviewed by people with the expertise required to provide you with complete, accurate or reliable information." That was written by you, and I guess in this case, you stand by that ... EYEZONLY —Preceding unsigned comment added by EYEZONLY (talk • contribs) 01:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• The only expertise required is an ability to read and to understand laid down guidlines. Tree-hugging isn't a requirement--WebHamster 01:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• • • • • EYESONLY this message is for you, I deeply appreaciate your loyalty and understand you supporting the article to stay. After teli read all of these persons responses, he now knows that it is not finished. He has came here to inspire all. And he realises none of these readers/editors feel he has had enough impact on humans to have an article on wikipedia. So he is requesting it be taken down and he will move forward and accomplish what is in store for him. One day this story will be known and it will be extra ordinary. Teli Brown's vote is to *DELETE There will be much more to come. See you in the future. Kind Regards Alanscott81 02:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note to Alan - When you next see a comet in the sky... don't accept any free drinks from anyone!--WebHamster 02:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• • • btw this really is my only wikipedia account. Those other people are friends and fans. Just to be clear about that. Alanscott81 02:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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