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The result was delete. Kurykh 20:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IBS Treatment Center[edit]

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Not notable, promotional, conflict of interest, original research. Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 13:56, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak delete There is 1 google news hit from a WP:RS. Lots of internet chatter and forum comments. May indeed be notable. I know someone may come along and argue that this article is helpful for people with IBS, which it may be, but if you find it helpful please source the contents of the article with non WP:SPS sources. Since the article links to this page which is full of reliable, third party sources, it might make for a much better article if some of these were incorporated in a manner that doesn't create a COI Faradayplank (talk) 19:05, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • innatehealthfoundation.org seems to be related so I don't think it's a reliable third-party source. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 08:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Does not assert notability beyond any other clinic that treats functional bowel disorders. JFW | T@lk 09:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Notability: It is frustrating and challenging not to have more and better news coverage of the IBS Treatment Center. It would be great to have a third party compare the patient outcomes of the IBS Treatment Center vs. any other clinic. The primary notable thing about the IBS Treatment Center is that it has effectively treated many, many patients who had not previously received effective care despite seeing a wide variety of previous care providers over years or even decades. Third party verification is difficult due to patient confidentiality, but news published includes: this newspaper article, and this magazine article . The fact that patients have traveled to the IBS Treatment Center from at least 30 states and from countries as far away as Thailand and New Zealand is notable as few other health providers in the world have drawn patients in this way, but it is true, though difficult to verify without access to patient records. Anyone interested in verifying this information is welcome to contact me to try and figure out how to do so without violating patient confidentiality. I am not sure how any third party would verify this sort of thing for any hospital or clinic. As to COI: Innate Health Foundation - Although founded by the same people, the Innate Health Foundation is governed by an independent board of directors. The information on the research page has no COI as it is all peer-reviewed published medical research. Full disclosure, I am not a doctor, but I am connected to the IBS Treatment Center.Renovator (talk) 17:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Most treatment centers, including this one, do not pass WP:CORP. If someone finds more independent reliable sources than I did, these should be used to make this an actually neutral article. - Eldereft (cont.) 20:16, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Lots of places effectively treat lots of patients. That doesn't mean that they meet WP:CORP or WP:V. We must have reliable sources. Otherwise, we've got a he said/she said situation on our hands, and no way for us to tell fact from fiction. They can try again later, after someone has written a couple of newspaper articles on them. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.