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The result was keep. One of the "keep" voters proved that the artist has received enough coverage to meet WP:NACTOR. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎 (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 02:00, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Article about a young actor who does not seem to have landed any notable roles. All references have been merely mentions of the subject nothing which discusses the subject in any sort of depth signifigant coverage or they are produced by a connected subject. Fails WP:NACTOR. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 00:56, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 00:56, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 00:56, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep How are we defining notable roles here? It seems as though any actor who's young and non-American is automatically dismissed as non-notable. But I am voting keep because
- He has appeared as a supporting cast in Make It with You one of the most popular teleseryes in the Philippines in 2020
- He appeared as one of the main male roles in Four Sisters Before the Wedding, a prominent film from Star Cinema (the country's largest film studio), and which received a theatrical release
- He appeared as one of the lead roles in The Four Bad Boys and Me, the first digital project of the aforementioned largest film studio of the country
- He appeared as one of the main roles in He's Into Her, arguably the most popular TV series in the Philippines this year and
- He appeared in a prominent supporting role in Maalaala Mo Kaya, a popular drama anthology series/the longest-running drama anthology series in the world.
- WP:NACTOR includes "other productions." Lisbo has appeared on It's Showtime as well as a digital concert organized by ABS-CBN for He's Into Her, which became, according to the Manila Bulletin, "the most attended event on the site, exceeding the seating capacity of traditional performance venues like the Araneta Coliseum and Mall of Asia Arena."
- Those sound pretty notable to me and easily meet the standard outlined by WP:NACTOR, namely that an actor is notable if they have "had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." As for your assertion that the references in the articles only make mere mention of him, that's not true at all. These are the media sources that discuss him extensively, and which are cited in the same article (these are separate from the half a dozen other reliable media sources that mention him in a non-trivial fashion):
- A profile or a magazine feature is not a "mere mention." Moreover, per WP: Multiple sources, "based on existing Wikipedia community norms, it seems that challenges to notability are successfully rebuffed when there are three good in-depth references in reliable sources that are independent of each other." I am listing the references here [1], [2], [3] (in Tagalog), [4], [5]. Koikefan (talk) 01:17, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I did look through these and I will tell you why I rejected them as helping to establish notability. 1,2, and 4 are a promotional interview and generally not counted towards notability as these are paid engagements by the agencies. 3 is a press release by his agency which does not to help establish notability. 5 is the mere mention of his name but then goes on to explain his characters basic premise in the show it does not discuss the actor. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 01:45, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I would like to see some evidence that profiles by independent news outlets are paid engagements. 3 is not a press release. The 5th reference does discuss the actor, in fact it contains quotes from him. Koikefan (talk) 01:57, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @Koikefan: The 5th reference only contains quotes from the actor, which does not help demonstrate notability. Your goal should be to find independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage of the actor. GoingBatty (talk) 02:52, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for your input. I have provided 5 sources, which I believe (even if you ignore 1-2 of them) suffices for the requirements. I have already quoted WP: Multiple sources, which states that typically 3 references will suffice to rebuff challenges to a figure's notability. Furthermore, I would like to reiterate that claims that certain news articles or writings are "paid engagements" should be buttressed by actual evidence rather than baseless assertions. I think I have also sufficiently explained why the actor's roles are significant and notable above. I'll leave it to other voters to determine whether they want to deviate from the common standard and see more than 3 references for proof of the actor's notability. Koikefan (talk) 08:45, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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