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The result was keep. Jayjg ^(talk) 04:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jerry Markham[edit]

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Jerry Markham appears to fail the notability requirements of WP:ACADEMIC and Wikipedia's general notability requirements. An academic is notable if he/she is "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to be worthy of notice, as evidenced by being the subject of significant coverage in independent reliable secondary sources." Markham may well be interesting, but there are not enough independent reliable secondary sources to warrant notability. In short, there are not enough people talking or writing about him. Wikipeterproject (talk) 08:33, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 00:52, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 00:53, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Markham is fairly well reported as an expert - perhaps the expert - in the field of securities commodities regulation. Consider the following:
  • Andrew Longstreth (Alden Bentley, editor), "CFTC faces high hurdles in oil manipulation case", ‎Reuters (May 26, 2011) (citing Markham as a former chief of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission).
  • Jonathan Leff and Robert Gibbons, "Analysis: Commodities margins: art, science or politics?", Reuters (May 12, 2011) (citing Markham as "a professor of law at the Florida International University at Miami and an expert on commodity market regulation").
  • Barry Critchley, "TD may join ABCP bailout", Financial Post (April 1, 2011) (stating: "If Dodge wants some ammunition to his argument, he may like to reread Chapter 3 of A Financial History of the United States, Volume II. Written by Professor Jerry Markham, the chapter shows the leadership of the legendary J.P. Morgan in the U.S. Financial Panic of 1907. Morgan got the major U.S. banks to agree to a bailout of several trusts that were suffering runs by depositors, who feared the loss of their money when the net assets within the trusts were becoming impaired in value. 'Morgan locked the financiers in his library until they agreed to provide even more funds to stop the panic,' Markham said").
  • Asjylyn Loder (Dan Stets, editor), "Commodity Manipulation May Be Easier to Prove After Overhaul", BusinessWeek (July 19, 2010) (citing Markham as "a professor at Florida International University law school in Miami and an expert witness").
  • Howard Gold, "Wall Street didn't hear Obama's greed message", ‎MarketWatch (January 23, 2009) (citing Markham as "a professor at Florida International University College of Law and an expert on banking and securities law").
  • Alison Fitzgerald and John Brinsley, "Treasury Seeks Asset-Buying Power Unchecked by Courts", Bloomberg (September 21, 2008) (citing Markham as a law professor and author of A Financial History of the United States).
  • Alan Rappeport, "JP Morgan Returns to Its Rescue Roots", ‎CFO.com Magazine (March 18, 2008) (stating: "In A Financial History of the United States, Jerry Markham calls Morgan a "one man Federal Reserve Bank" for his heroics during the panic of 1907").
  • Ann Therese Palme, "A Guide to Walking Right", Registered Rep (February 1, 2004) (citing "Jerry W. Markham, Professor of Law, Florida International University, and Thomas L. Hazen, Professor of Law, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, authors of: Broker Dealer Operations Under Securities and Commodities Law: Financial Responsibilities, Credit Regulation, and Customer Protection, West Group, 2002").
  • Ann Therese Palmer, "The Non-Compete Trap: No Longer the Jaws of Death‎", Registered Rep (June 1, 2003) (citing Markham as "a University of North Carolina securities professor and co-author of a 1,500-page securities law treatise").
• Markham is hardly new to this recognition of his expertise. Consider also:
  • Scott Andron, "Food Lion Back In Courtroom", Greensboro News and Record (Feb 15, 1998) (citing Markham as "a law professor at UNC Chapel Hill and former lawyer for the Securities and Exchange Commission").
  • David S. Cloud, "Confidence In Futures Markets Under Construction", News-Journal (Apr 4, 1989) (stating: "According to Jerry Markham, author of The History of Commodities Futures Trading, in one year alone - 1868 - at the Chicago Board of Trade, 'there were three corners in wheat, two in corn, one in oats, one attempted corner in rye, and another threatened in rye.'").
  • Eric N. Berg, "Chicago Board Acts on Its Timing", New York Times (March 4, 1989) (citing Markham as "a leading Washington-based commodities lawyer").
• Cheers! bd2412 T 16:37, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
• Keep. GS gives an h index of 20 in a not well-cited field to pass WP:prof#C1. Please will the nominator explain why he discounted this issue? Xxanthippe (talk) 02:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC).[reply]
• Comment: The GS h index, according to the citation metrics section of WP:PROF states: "Measures of citability such as H-index, G-index, etc, may be used as a rough guide in evaluating whether Criterion 1 is satisfied, but they should be approached with considerable caution since their validity is not, at present, widely accepted, and since they depend substantially on the source indices used." If this is not a very well-cited field, as noted above, then the utility of the metric is even more limited. I also note that most of the "citation" listed above are, in fact, quotations. A quote from an individual in a news article is very different to a citation and also very different from the person being the "subject of" the article, as required by general notability guidelines. Markham is cited, but if you look at GS, you will see multiple self-citations as well as multiple citations from the same author. I don't believe any of this provides sufficient evidence of notability. Wikipeterproject (talk) 07:01, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, v/r - TP 23:32, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. The references found by User:BD2412 and their context are compelling. One correction, though: Markman is not the former chief (i.e., chairman) of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. He is former chief counsel of the commission's enforcement division. TJRC (talk) 17:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • My apologies, that is an error of haste, and not an intent to mislead. Cheers! bd2412 T 17:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
    • It never occurred to me otherwise; you did a fine job of documenting notability. I just wanted to get the correction into the record, both for purposes of this AFD and in case anyone uses it as the basis for updating the article. TJRC (talk) 19:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The references found above allows article to pass notability guidelines.--EdwardZhao (talk) 16:05, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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