The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Kurykh 20:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Julian Valentin[edit]

Player has not sufficiently satisfied the notability criteria for football players as determined by WikiProject on Football. He has not appeared in a professional match. GauchoDude (talk) 22:08, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:Athlete and has no other claim to notability. Vickser (talk) 22:36, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:ATHLETE criteria of "Competitors who have competed in a fully professional league" as he plays in the MLS Reserve Division which is fully professional. Nfitz (talk) 17:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - You have tried this argument here and no one agrees with you. Reserve leagues are not fully professional. He is not notable as he has not made any notable appearances. Merely being drafted alone doesn't make him notable either. When he enters into a professional game, which he hasn't (and doesn't seem to be close as he wasn't even named to the bench today), then recreate the page. At this moment in time, he is undeserving for the above reasons. Delete. GauchoDude (talk) 21:10, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I don't think you can use my use of the same argument there as a precedent, given that I made it only 87 minutes before this one, and only one person has commented since. Nfitz (talk) 21:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then use the one here, after which one editor agreed and seven others didn't. пﮟოьεԻ 57 22:22, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - ~~More than one ...~~ also the question of why this standard is being applied to the fully-professional MLS reserve division when by definition it meets WP:ATHLETE was never addressed (and is basis of pending Deletion Review). Nfitz (talk) 22:37, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Comment - The fact that virtually any one can walk onto the team without a contract and play as a "guest player" in your so-called notability reserve games just about sums up the argument. GauchoDude (talk) 23:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Comment - that doesn't change that the league itself is fully professional. Such "guest players" would not be notable (unless otherwise qualified). Nfitz (talk) 00:06, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        The fact that the league allows guest players proves that it is not a fully professional league - this is exactly why friendly matches and reserve matches in other countries are not deemed to confer notability. Plus the above statement of "More than one" is false - only one editor (Ugen64) agreed. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 07:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Ah - yes only one other editor agreed. Nfitz (talk) 19:28, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 19:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:ATHLETE and consensus has long been that reserve matches do not confer notability. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 21:45, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:13, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, once again, reserve matches do not confer notability. --Angelo (talk) 08:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as it appears very unlikely that the MLS Reserve Division is a fully professional league. That said, if someone can provide evidence that it is fully professional, I'll change my vote. Jogurney (talk) 21:44, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.