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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) TBr and ley ^{(what's up)} 01:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Levan Razmadze[edit]

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M-1 Megaton is currently a joke. Fails WP:GNG PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 14:08, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep In addition to being the DEEP Megaton Champion he is also a member of the Georgian Olympic Judo team. Entity of the Void (talk) 01:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~*Delete~~ Clearly fails WP:NMMA, however I don't know how mentioning the Judo affects it. We had another article that clearly failed MMA notability but couldn't get a consensus on it because of 1 sentence regarding participating in Sumo. In my opinion if somebody want to claim that another sport gives a person notability then they need to include some details in the article that supports that. To me it's like writing up an article on somebody like Matt Mittrone that talks about his NFL career, with 1 sentence saying he participates in MMA, and then claiming he passes notability for MMA. So, if you are going to claim notability for Judo, I suggest adding a couple paragraphs abot his Judo career. Willdawg111 (talk) 23:01, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral I am changing my opinion from Delete to neutral because there was more information added. As this clearly fails MMA notability, but it may in fact no pass Judo notability, I suggest this be kicked over to whatever project is evaulating Judo so that it can get a fair debate. Willdawg111 (talk) 03:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ - Fails WP:NMMA. --LlamaAl (talk) 23:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I added some content about his Judo career like Willdawg111 wanted. Should pass WP:WPMA/N as he has competed in significant international competitions and won numerous medals. Also may pass WP:NOLYMPICS, although he didn't technically "compete" but was an Olympic alternate. Luchuslu (talk) 02:17, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm not that familiar with the notabiltiy of Judo, honestly have never pulled it up. If you added Judo information, I would suggest linking this to the group that is doing the editing for Judo so they can properly evaluate the Judo notability. Don't leave it just in the hands of the MMA project because he won't pass our notability requirements. Willdawg111 (talk) 02:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You have some time here. Please, AfD is not for projects. Anyone can vote. --LlamaAl (talk) 00:22, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That's true but if you are going to vote to delete it then you shouldn't being trying to delete it for failing just MMA, you need to explain how he fails MMA and Judo. He would only have to be notable for 1 or the other to be kept, but needs to fail both in order to delete it. Willdawg111 (talk) 08:06, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep Joke? You're the only joke here, cocksucker!!!!! Behemoth (talk) 21:14, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I am now on the fence about this guy. I see he won a European U-20 Judo championship. From his record it looked like his only major win. I am also not THAT impressed with him being an Olympic alternate. You don't have to neccessarily win any huge tournaments to be an olympic alternate or be on a national team. I also do not see any article from even MMAjunkie/USAToday that would establish his general notability either. I think Junkie is the most reputable one. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 00:13, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is a nice little article about him on Bloody Elbow. In combination with his judo career, he should at least meet WP:GNG Luchuslu (talk) 04:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have a low general opinion of bloody elbow. It's writing staff (and most mma writers accross the board) think they know better than the fighters, and in general have no first hand knowledge of the sport. It's like a person who has never played football announcing a game (Hello Mike Goldberg/Pride guy with glasses.) With that said I have attempted to pass it off as a legitimate source when it was convenient for me to do so. In this case Bloodyelbow has him mentioned as an olympic team member. However, the other sources have him mentioned as an alternate, and his record of only 1 tournament win would substantiate that. It was a european u-20 Judo tournament. I was wondering about that one in particular. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 08:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Just to clarify, he was an olympic alternate behind Levan Zhorzholiani at half-heavyweight. But an alternate is still considered a team member. Also, he has two tournament wins: the U20 one and a Super World Cup event in Moscow. Multiple top-3 spots as well in semi-notable events. Luchuslu (talk) 16:56, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A guy I was acquanited with named Jonathan Osborne was an alternate, yet I don't think he would pass notability guidelines here on that merit alone. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 21:54, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (country)-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:56, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:56, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:56, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Judo accomplishments combined with MMA career constitutes notability. (talk) 20:33, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please sign your posts by using four tildes. Papaursa (talk) 04:02, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ He has no fights for a top tier organization, so he fails WP:NMMA. He didn't compete at the Olympics, so he doesn't meet that criteria. Finally, junior martial arts events have repeatedly been deemed not notable--even medal winners at the Youth Olympics and junior world championships have been deleted previously (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Davit Ghazaryan and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antonia Katheder for recent examples). Subject has not competed as an adult at the World championships so he hasn't competed at the highest level in judo, either. Papaursa (talk) 04:02, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep My previous comments are still correct, but Luchuslu makes a valid point. I still have doubts since he's never competed as an adult at even the European judo championships, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Papaursa (talk) 20:40, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment According to WP:WPMA/N, You need to meet one of five qualifications to be deemed notable. One of them is "Repeated medalist in another significant event;- (e.g. competitors from multiple nations or significant national tournament)." He won silver in the Georgian national tournament, plus a number of medals in other events with multiple nations involved. He obviously fails WP:NMMA, but on this basis should pass WP:WPMA/N Luchuslu (talk) 05:36, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 00:08, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mediran (t • c) 10:49, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No one has commented for 11 days. I don't see a need to keep relisting it, especially because there are zero votes for delete. Luchuslu (talk) 18:55, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the nomination counts as a delete vote. But i agree with you. Poison Whiskey 14:13, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support close per Luchuslu's above rationale. No need to keep this still open. Cavarrone (talk) 19:37, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.