The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The emerging consensus is that the notablity of the list itself cannot be proven. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:37, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of association footballers who died during their careers[edit]

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There was an RFC on this talkpage, with very little outcome, however one suggestion was to just delete this page. We already have List of association footballers who died while playing, which has a clearer, better defined scope. No evidence this list passes WP:NLIST, and it is in violation of WP:NOTMEMORIAL as it lists hundreds of players who wouldn't otherwise be mentioned on Wikipedia (as their footballing achievements didn't meet WP:NFOOTY, because they only played youth football, or played in minor leagues). Joseph2302 (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:39, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. A player dying whilst playing is notable, and already covered by a different list. This wider, more general list is not needed. GiantSnowman 18:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Many people have careers as footballers, as other athletes, as actors, as scientists, as writers... Many people tragically die at a young age of a wide variety of unrelated reasons including health issues and accidents. But it's not a notable intersection to list them like this as if this is a particular phenomenon. There is List of accidents involving sports teams that lists the incidents in which multiple people died. Reywas92^Talk 19:03, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Reywas92 and nom. Footballers are not immune to death; as Reywas92 notes, it's not a significant intersection. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:17, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. --littleb2009 (^she/_her) (talk • contribs) 21:57, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NOTMEMORIAL and WP:NLIST. There are already other notable lists that cover the notable people on this list. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 23:24, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Not against removal of all non-notable people on this list that don't meet WP:NFOOTY (i.e; those without blue links). Surely this is the most obvious resolution, retaining notability? It's hard to argue for deleting a page I must have sunk more than a dozen hours into by now. If we're deleting this, delete List of basketball players who died during their careers and List of baseball players who died during their careers, among many others. Be consistent. Removing all non-notable names is by far the most logical approach to this. Mrsmiis (talk) 01:40, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Sounds like a great idea, those are also are also non-notable intersections between one fact and another. Reywas92^Talk 19:41, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per Reywas92. Although WP:TRIVIALCAT doesn't apply to lists, the same principle applies: listing people by the circumstances of their death is rarely encyclopedic. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:09, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:31, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The list is useful and well referenced. However, can be considered removing players who are not notable to Wikipedia. CzeCze11 (talk) 10:45, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - a non-encyclopaedic cross-categorisation so violates WP:NOT Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 07:18, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To expand on my comment above, what would be required for an article like this to be kept would be reliable sources discussing in depth the connection between footballers dying and that death taking place while they are contracted to a club. Essentially, this is just a list of players that died young and, whilst that is certainly tragic, Wikipedia is not a memorial page and we do not need a list article on people of every line of work dying before they were able to retire from that line of work unless online or offline media clearly deem such a topic to be a notable one itself. At the moment, we have a list of deceased footballers sourced to obituaries and death announcements but no indication that the intersection itself is notable. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:36, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep / Delete: Keep if those other lists with dead athletes stay, delete if those get deleted. its not fair if this one is deleted but the basketball and other ones survive.Muur (talk) 18:11, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • That doesn't really make sense, as those other articles have not been nominated at AfD. So essentially you are saying "only delete this one if another article which isn't actually up for deletion gets deleted"?? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:20, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • The reasons people are giving to delete this page apply in exactly the same manner to the other pages mentioned. It definitely makes sense. Mrsmiis (talk) 23:29, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well then feel free to nominate them at AFD. But we shouldn't be bundling multiple articles together- there was an AFD that did try to bundle them all together, and was closed with response to nominate these articles separately. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:19, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: The list is useful and well referenced. Some time ago an incident where a footballer died on the field happened, and I was curious to find out how many other footballers of the same team died tragically in similar conditions at an early age, and also how many from the same country, and I found this information only in this list, so this was useful to me. Also, having such information gathered together could also come handy for statistical purposes. And, of course, if the contents in it are referenced, I don't see something wrong with them, because obviously these deaths get reported on news (they are not hidden) and, even everybody dies, it's something when a footballer dies at an early age, because of the recognition they get, and out of human interest. Furthermore, as said before by more than one people, it makes perfectly sense to me as well this article to be deleted only if other similar articles get deleted, but not only those related to athletes' tragic-early deaths, but all that list deaths of people, including, for instance, the 27 Club, among others... Finally, why was this brought up for deletion shortly after the Christian Eriksen Euro 2020 incident? I don't think we should get carried away from that incident's momentum and look in depth if there is harm caused from this article, as, even though it's not essential, it serves well as information without causing any harm, at least in my humble opinion... Nialarfatem (talk) 15:39, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Not entirely "well referenced", and also the RFC discussing this was month or so before the Eriksen incident. This AfD nomination has nothing to do with that. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:53, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then it makes sense what isn't "well referenced" to be removed. The deletion doesn't make sense, as per me. Nialarfatem (talk) 16:11, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would have to disagree with any attempt to draw parallels between this very broad group of footballers and a list with as much coverage as the 27 Club. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:07, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The 27 Club is pointless. Probably someone noticed that many artists died at 27 and thought this was significant, but it really isn't. Perhaps one of the peaks of dying young may be at 27, but, other than that, a list with artists dying young would make more sense than one with only those who died at 27, e.g. a list of artists who died before reaching 40 or 30 years, and there is no such list at the moment, only 27 is "significant"... what I am saying is if listing deaths deserves deletion, then the same applies to the artice of 27 Club as well... Nialarfatem (talk) 00:11, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It may not be significant, but it has received an absolute ton of coverage in reliable sources, including having an entire book published about it, which 100% makes it notable in WP terms. There doesn't seem to have been the same level of coverage of the general concept of "footballers who died during their career". Each one may have received some coverage, but that doesn't mean the over-arching concept is significant -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:18, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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