The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep (with possibility of merge or other rearrangement). Cool Hand Luke 00:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of characters in Titanic (1997)[edit]

List of characters from the movie Titanic, contested prod so bringing it to AfD. This may garner lots of enthusiastic WP:ILIKEIT support, but it's hard to see how these character lists accord with WP:LIST and WP:WAF. Eusebeus 21:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless the secondary sources needed to establish notability can be found (per WP:FICTION). Jakew 21:37, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Titanic is clearly notable. As a film, covering the characters in the film is reasonably part of the article. But I can see how there's enough people in the film that a spin-off article is reasonable. FrozenPurpleCube 21:42, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That said, I do agree with the cleanup concerns expressed below. FrozenPurpleCube 22:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep But trim it way down. They're not their own articles, which mollifies me. i ^said 21:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, acceptable adjunct to film article. Since many of the characters were real people, they surely pass WP:FICT-standard "real world notability", but most really need just a short identification, not a paragraph of plot summary. I don't think the Jack or Rose sections need to be so exhaustive either, but they probably have plenty of sources in reviews and the like that could be used under WP:FICT. --Dhartung | Talk 22:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Titanic (1997 film), but cut waaaaay down to a plain list, and not a summary of the film. —tregoweth (talk) 23:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment If we can source the list, I think that's the best option. Jakew 23:05, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there is an existing list there. FrozenPurpleCube 23:12, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Titanic (1997 film) per tregoweth. Dbromage [Talk] 23:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I loved the movie but yes, merge to the main movie article would be the appropriate thing to do here. -WarthogDemon 00:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - biggest grossing film of all time, with entire books devoted to the film. Just clean it up and add some sources. - Peregrine Fisher 00:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I would suggest giving the main characters an article of their own and changing this to List of minor characters in Titanic (1997). At the moment half the article is taken up by 3 characters. Dave101→talk 08:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The list is in desperate need of sources. Many of the elements can use the film itself as a primary source, but "He [Caledon Hockley] was educated at Harvard University and was vacationing in France when he settled an old claim to the famous, "Heart of the Ocean" diamond under absolute secrecy on April 3rd, 1912, a week before he sailed on RMS Titanic due to his family's descent from royalty." is definitely not a story I could see in the film. Is it in some book about the movie? Sjakkalle (Check!) 11:36, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletions. -- the wub "?!" 14:30, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely keep - list is too big to merge back and many of the characters are notable. Please don't ruin somebody's hard work ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 17:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That hard work would be mine :( Superior1 07:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I pretty much wrote this entire article, and I say take out the main three characters, give them their own articles, and change the title to List of minor characters in Titanic (1997) like someone else said. Superior1 07:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, CommentPlease hide or remove contents which not have reliable sources from the page, and keep the page itself. Roded86400 15:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Somewhat keep Rename to Characters of Titanic and cut the hell out of it. Massive amounts of plot summary to cut, and needs a bunch of real world information. -- Ned Scott 01:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This name is more specific. There's more than one Titanic film. Superior1 01:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—why does an extremely notable film need more space to describe its plot? By that logic, Wikipedia—an encyclopedia—would be taking the stance that popularity must stem from lengthy and/or deep plots. (This is one of many reasons why notability is not inherited.) The key is to find real world content to supplement the plot summary—this is how we fairly show that a subtopic needs a subarticle. Any skilled business or technical writer can summarize a plot in a few paragraphs. Now, since this is an extremely notable movie, that means there may be more availability for substantial real-world content on the characters, which is required to show notability. Thus, I'll !vote keep but rename to Characters of Titanic (1997), and delete in a few weeks if no proof or inclusion of real-world content is given. This is how these problems should be handled. AfD injects panic in people; we're better off ascending the chain of options politely and using redirects strategically; their usefulness goes beyond redirecting to locations, because redirects preserve the edit history and (usually) the talkpage. — Deckill er 05:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Page Has Moved to Characters of Titanic (1997). Roded86400 00:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC) want to Taipei[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.