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The result was delete. Tone 22:36, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of locations in Babylon 5[edit]

List of locations in Babylon 5 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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In-universe only fictional minutia. The set of items does not establish notability. None of the sources in the article appear to be worthwhile. TTN (talk) 19:08, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 19:08, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 19:08, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 19:08, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. First we delete the lists of planets in xxx, then we work our way down. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:29, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Crufty, in-universe, indiscriminate list._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 22:35, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Secondary articles to main articles are necessary in several situations, including in situations, like this, where the article in question is a very popular TV series. The list itself does not need to be notable, nor is it a requirement under any policy, since its notably is inherent from the parent article. This list could just as much be in the parent article. The reason why it's split is because it would make the parent article unnecessary large. Each entry in the list, however, is (probably) not notable in itself to have a separate unique article, which is OK, and that is why there is a dedicated list article for that. The article itself is structured good and seems to confirm to the MoS guidelines (unlike many other articles), and is even referenced with 17 different sources. Also, I fail to see how this list is "indiscriminate" as it clearly lists "locations" in the "Babylon 5" series. If by "indiscriminate" the argument is "incomplete" then that is a different thing, but also not a reason to delete. --Gonnym (talk) 22:41, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• This argument opens up any list of minutia in any fictional series. Weapons, special moves, fictional monsters, etc. Locations are in no way a necessary item to be discussed. Summary style information is enough. TTN (talk) 22:45, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Some history: this article was created in 2009 as a page move resulting from Io (Babylon 5)'s AfD. The Vega Colony and Deneb 4 AfD resulted in the merge also. Epsilon III, Proxima 3 and Earth (Babylon 5) were also merged/redirected here. User:Aladdin Sane and User:Jclemens made some valiant attempts in 2009/2010 to address Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction (as it existed back then). The article has only been lightly edited since then. —maclean (talk) 02:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  As you can see from my past work on various other Babylon 5 topics, I own sufficient dead tree RS'es that cover these fictional elements well enough to justify an article under GNG. I don't remotely have time to do so, as interested parties (if there are any) have likely deduced from my silence regarding deletion of plenty of other improvable fictional elements. You can call this a keep vote if anyone cares, but since everyone who remotely cared enough to improve older fictional elements seems to have given up and gone away, I'm note entirely sure what the point would be. Jclemens (talk) 05:28, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. When I first started editing Wikipedia in 2004 I loved those kind of topics (fictional geography). I still like them today - but they belong on wikias, not here. Feel free to transwiki anything here to https://babylon5.fandom.com/wiki/Locations if there is anything that we are covering that is not covered there already. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Babylon 5#Setting. Goustien (talk) 05:27, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Entirely in-universe plot summaries without a single reliable source being used - instead, the sources appear to be a mixture of primary sources, fansites, and original research. As the essential plot information regarding the setting is already at Babylon 5#Setting, and this is not going to be a particularly useful search term, merging or redirecting is not needed. Rorshacma (talk) 15:49, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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