The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to The Game discography. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 12:28, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs recorded by the Game[edit]

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Cites zero sources, no appearance of independent notability. QuietHere (talk) 13:27, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Here is a link to this page's first AfD from 2014. QuietHere (talk) 03:23, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. QuietHere (talk) 13:27, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:41, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to The Game discography where this kind of stuff belongs. We don't need two articles about the same thing. Also, someone doesn't understand where numerals land in terms of alphabetization. The come before 'A'. Binksternet (talk) 14:51, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• @QuietHere: Category:Lists of songs recorded by American artists shows how many of these there are from America, with Category:Lists of songs by recording artists showing all the other nations. Please don't nominate these one by one. Just discuss what should be done with them somewhere, then nominate all of them at once. Dream Focus 15:28, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  A few years ago, we held a discussion at one of the music Wikiprojects, and there wasn't much agreement beyond well sourced/written ones (List of songs recorded by Mariah Carey) were acceptable and ones where an artist has few to no song articles (List of songs recorded by DJ Quik) didn't require theirs own song list article. (Kind of operating on the same concepts as WP:NAV.) There was a lot of gray area on situations in between, like this one. That said, unsourced articles are pretty firmly cemented as "not okay", so I don't see any grounds for lecturing like this. (Though I would have probably just boldly redirected it.) Sergecross73 msg me 15:53, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I just grabbed a handful that I saw had old AfDs where they got kept on poor grounds and hadn't been subsequently removed. Wasn't sure a bold redirect would be appropriate given they'd already been contested regardless of how many years ago it was (in this case it was 2014) nor how inappropriate the keep rationale may have been. And for what it's worth, I also support the redirect target DMartin listed below. QuietHere (talk) 01:41, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I hadn't realized this had been at AFD before. If that's the case, then you're right, bold redirect probably isn't ideal. Sergecross73 msg me 02:40, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It appears to be because it got moved in between from "The Game" to "the Game" that it isn't listed properly as a second AfD. Might be a technical error worth reporting at whatever the appropriate venue for that is. Will add a link to the first AfD to my opening. QuietHere (talk) 03:22, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  So sourcing/presentation would be the criteria here as I see it, since this issue has blown up like this... There is no explanation why a mere collection of data for an average rapper like The Game would be in compliance with WP:NOTDATABASE.

  This article is clearly just a list and must not exist in current fashion. MitYehor (talk) 22:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to The Game discography: I can see no reason for this to be separate article. –DMartin 18:40, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Discography is not an appropriate redirect target because the discography is for album and singles. Many of the songs themselves were not released as singles. But there certainly are sources for the songs recorded by the Game, for example here. AfD is not for cleanup. Rlendog (talk) 14:39, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  That's not a source, that's just a list of songs without any context. We have WP:NOTDIRECTORY for a reason. And disagreeing with the redirect target (which, for what it's worth, I don't) isn't a reason for keeping. If anything it'd be a reason for deleting. QuietHere (talk) 15:29, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It's a reliable source. NOTDIRECTORY addresses Wikipedia articles, not sources. Rlendog (talk) 18:23, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  But the only thing that source would be good for is confirming the list of songs we already have here, which would still leave us with a list of songs recreated from there. We'd be recreating their directory and that's the violation. The sourcing needs to support notability, not just the existence of the songs. QuietHere (talk) 05:12, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, that source confirms the list of songs recorded by this artist. And it is pretty well established that lists of songs recorded by an artist are acceptable under Wikipedia guidelines and do not violate NOTDIRECTORY.Rlendog (talk) 16:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  And that was just one easy to find source. There are other sources that discuss selections of his songs collectively, such as this and this. Rlendog (talk) 17:25, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 14:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 01:20, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: This is a standard type of list on Wikipedia and there are many examples of it. I agree with Dream Focus's sentiment that any issues with the notability of these kinds of lists should be discussed at a different venue rather than at an individual AFD. The redirect suggestion to the discography list also does not really make too much sense because a discography is a separate thing than a song list. Aoba47 (talk) 02:53, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  This is far from "standard" lists on Wikipedia, and there are not "many examples" of them. Lists must not be indiscriminate, they are kept for the reason of individual notability. The fact that this list exists doesn't make it right. See WP:NOTDATABASE. MitYehor (talk) 22:18, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect per others - Fails WP:LISTN and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 03:30, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. More opinions are welcome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Timothytyy (talk) 04:08, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or Redirect as best case scenario. An indiscriminate list like this has no place on Wikipedia (see WP:NOTDATABASE). The "other examples" people are referring to (like Category:Lists of songs recorded by American artists) are well written, sourced, and notable individually. A simple list is a clear violation of core Wiki principle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MitYehor (talk • contribs) 22:32, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I've seen WP:NOTDATABASE, but this is not an "indiscriminate" collection of information. It is very specific information on the songs by a particular artist. Rlendog (talk) 01:38, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It is indiscriminate in that any song recorded by The Game (whether or not it is an album track or a basement recording released to 5 people) is apparently eligible for this list according to the parameters, despite no reliable sources touching on this group with SIGCOV. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 01:57, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep. He's a notable artist and his discography is notable too, nobody disputes that. Sources are needed, but deletion isn't clean up. It seems logical to argue to move this into the article on his discography, but it's about 100kb in length WP:SIZERULE would direct us to fork the content. Keeping this as a list makes sense, as per the logic of forking, WP:NLIST and WP:SIZERULE. I'd have liked more clear indication that this list of dealt with by a group, alas "The Game" is such a non unique identifier, that I found it impossible to verify. CT55555(talk) 02:14, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. This one is challenging. On one hand, I can understand the arguments for deletion while on the other, there are strong and valid arguments for keeping. Shawn Teller (talk) 01:49, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to The Game discography, fails LISTN, is an unneeded fork.  // Timothy :: talk  05:14, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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