The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. On a pure nose count we might be in "no consensus" territory here, but delete arguments speak to sourcing (or lack thereof), always the critical consideration. Keep arguments tend to speak to popularity, which is not an inclusion criterion. It looks like this might gain enough sourcing to be sustainable someday, no prejudice to recreation if that happens. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 22:52, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mageia[edit]

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PROD was removed after "Removed deletion note. Already added external citation to DistroWatch, which shows Mageia as being popular." - I still don't see why this Distro is notable. mabdul 07:18, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:44, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the article, as it is, is terrible and has no good independent sources. However, as it is currently #7 on the DistroWatch page rankings, and was #15 for all of 2011 when it didn't even start until late 2010, I think it's fair to say that it's a fairly popular Linux distro. Also, Mageia is forked from Mandriva, which is a very old and well-respected distro. While yet another Linux distro fork may not be notable, the financial / organizational problems of Mandriva made fairly large waves in the Linux world, and Mageia has many of the prominent people from the Mandriva community. It's not that some random person created another fork, it's that major players from a major distro went their separate ways. Jdi153 (talk) 19:45, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- added bullet. The fact that it is a fork of a notable and popular distro doesn't make itself notable, moreover at the moment it lacks coverage: being in the list of DistroWatch doesn't indicate anything except that it is downloaded many times. As I said: it lacks newscoverage - or I might have not found it. mabdul 21:59, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm not going to argue too vociferously. I felt it was notable precisely because of the news I read about it. Googling just "Mageia" looks like it turns up plenty of hits. Still, "notability" to a nerdy software developer is not a good indicator of notability in general, so I will defer to those with more experience judging this sort of thing for Wikipedia.Jdi153 (talk) 04:55, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - WP:GHITS - an argument which should be avoided in an AfD. mabdul 12:37, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - I understand about the hits / search ranking. I brought it up only in regards to your comment "it lacks news coverage." I felt like the search results showed that there is in fact news coverage. Jdi153 (talk) 19:17, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the key information about the distribution can be found on other websites, including Distrowatch. The distribution plainly is notable, it just needs further external references. I've added another reference to Distrowatch (because it is the easiest to find) in the lead. Imc (talk) 20:15, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, then please add references and cite them. Distorwatch is reliable, but it is onl mentioned Mageia bypassing and not in depth. mabdul 12:37, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Another mention, albeit still in passing: https://lwn.net/Articles/493091/ I'm not sure this goes well in to the main article, I'm just point out that there is at least a perception that Mageia is the heir apparent to Mandriva, which is what I thought made it notable in the first place.Jdi153 (talk) 19:17, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- That is at least not a bad start, but this is not enough I would say. mabdul 08:55, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 04:57, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Not notable enough per WP:N. SL93 (talk) 23:55, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep per DistroWatch information (7th most used distribution out of all the ones listed here. Wide development team. Community forums with thousands of posts. Will surely become notable - also looking at the troubles of Mandriva Linux - and notability is not temporary. Better to anticipate than to be late. Ocirne94 ^{Tell me!} 18:40, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep! Wikipedia should not be a wishlist for what pointless reasons ever. Mageia existis, is a linux distribution and I'd like to get informations about it. I really don't care about rankings even if in this case mageia is ranked quiet well. It's so annoying to encounter such kind of pointless deletions on wikipedia again and again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.13.247.81 (talk) 23:58, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:GNG: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list." I have not been able to find significant coverage in reliable sources. Distro watch is just an entry to indicate it exists. This: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1 is good, but I couldn't find more like it. Sad when the seventh most-used Linux distro can't get good coverage. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:25, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- You could use e.g. your intermediate level of German to find signigicant coverage in reliable sources. In any significant german online magazine like heise.de, golem.de or pro-linux.de you will find plenty of coverage and I am sure in other european online magazines too. Do a search on http://www.heise.de/suche/?q=mageia&search_submit=Suche&rm=search — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.13.8.248 (talk) 03:08, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
enough reference with all these link https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia1_Press ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.251.122.165 (talk) 15:00, 16 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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