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The result was no consensus. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:46, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Roman Vashchuk[edit]

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Not enough coverage in reliable sources to verify or sustain an article. Fails general notability and there is no inherent notability for any of his positions. Only material are short bios from the embassy, some notices of appointment and a couple passing mentions none of which has him pass WP:NPOL and WP:ANYBIO. Jbh^Talk 12:44, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• delete nothing to prove he meets WP:BIO. no inherent notability from being an ambassador or coming from a "major country". LibStar (talk) 08:18, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• comment He gets coverage in the Ukraine [1]. Looks like he has quite a bit of coverage in Ukranian cyrillic . ths AFD mighe need someone who can look at the Ukranian coverage.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:54, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The linked article is a passing quote in an article about someone else. Do you have any links to Ukrainian language sources? Google Translate should be good enough to see if they are about him or just passing mentions/quotes in relation to his duties. Thanks for the help! Jbh^Talk 18:08, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong keep - definitely notable. Full profile in Ukrainian Forbes - he's had a long career as a diplomat. Additionally, Canada has a very prominent Ukrainian emigre population (most Ukrainians outside Ukraine/Russia I think) and provides considerable economic and diplomatic aid to Ukraine; ie this is a significant post. LibStar and E.M.Gregory, I will work on it. —Мандичка^YO 😜 20:58, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikimandia: Good find! I am a bit concerned about how much notability it demonstrates about him vs his office. The article is part of a series on Ambassadors to the Ukraine so whoever was the Ambassador at the time would have received the same coverage. Are you able to help us find any other Ukrainian sources which talk more about him? Thank you! Jbh^Talk 21:26, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Jbhunley: Since he's a diplomat of course many of the articles have to do with Canada's general position (ie anyone who held his position might say the same). But as you can tell by the really lengthy answers he gives, he is well qualified to speak freely about very sensitive topics (eg Canada supporting sanctions against Putin). And some ask him things that are definitely unique to him and his background - for example in this article it starts out asking him how he thinks Ukraine has changed since he was working there in the early 1990s. He also seems to have something to do with Serbia and Montenegro, as he pops up in their news also, and in one interview it said he's learning Serbian. Anyway I'll work on improving the article so hopefully it will satisfy the WP:GNG. —Мандичка^YO 😜 22:05, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikimandia: OK. The second interview is starting to sway me towards a weak keep. He seems to get a lot more coverage in non-English press, which I suppose is to be expected considering where he does his work. Maybe some of the people at Wikiproject:International Relationscan give some guidance on office vs person with respect to notability since I am unsure and do not want to advocate against someone who it would be proper to include. Jbh^Talk 22:16, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikimandia: I posted this request for input [2] at The IR project. They have surely come across this kind of thing before. Jbh^Talk 22:28, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Jbhunley: I'm not sure of the general guidelines re: office vs person, but I feel that anyone who is a "real" ambassador is noteworthy (by real, I mean a diplomat who is actively publicly involved in real matters of state, not "thanks for the campaign donations, you can be our ambassador to Jamaica" type). Also he actually spells his name "Roman Waschuk" (usual transliteration based on pronunciation is Vaschuk) which may be why there were fewer English-language articles about him. Here's one about him winning some kind of award in the 1990s. —Мандичка^YO 😜 22:40, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikimandia: At this point I think there is enough in the non-English press for me to personally think he should have an article ie he is someone that you would be likely to run across when reading about Ukraine and want to know more about. That, how ever is my personal criteria for inclusion (If we used my personal criteria there would be a lot fewer bands, footballers and random business people with articles) so I would like to see some input from someone who has dealt with notable Ambassadors or a couple of articles about him not related to his position or notable achievements while Ambassador before withdrawing mt nomination. (Or more properly change my vote since there is another delete so speedy close is not possible) Thank you for all the work you have been doing looking in to the subject in the Ukrainian press. Jbh^Talk 00:44, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep: - The above debate shows it is notable - See Full profile in Ukrainian Forbes. As Мандичка pointed out "he's had a long career as a diplomat. Additionally, Canada has a very prominent Ukrainian emigre population (most Ukrainians outside Ukraine/Russia I think) and provides considerable economic and diplomatic aid to Ukraine; ie this is a significant post." Clarification @ LibStar: I did a Google search and the topic appears notable. I agree with both E.M.Gregory and Мандичка Cheers - Ret.Prof (talk) 14:22, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

you've just totally and lazily plagiarized the vote of someone else. how about explaining in your own words how he meets WP:BIO? LibStar (talk) 16:52, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your input. I have tried to clarify my position and hopefully I have made a stronger case for KEEP. Thanks again! Cheers, - Ret.Prof (talk) 14:37, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

simply doing a Google search does not automatically establish notability. See WP:GOOGLEHITS LibStar (talk) 16:50, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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