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The result was Deleted under G4. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:02, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ronald Joseph Radke[edit]

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Contested prod ([1]); courtesy nom for User:D33deed33guy. Thinly-sourced article about the former singer of a presumably notable band, but doesn't appear notable in himself; we are told that he may release an album with a new band in 2011, but that seems inadmissable as a basis for notability uinder WP:CRYSTAL. Propose we delete or delete & redirect. Ronnie Radke, the exact same guy, already redirects to his former band, and WP:BAND confirms that this is standard practice ("members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band"). - Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 20:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is both a page for Ronnie Radke and Ronald Joseph Radke. Same guy, just different ways of naming it so he can have his own article. Only contributors are fans who made accounts on wikipedia just to promote him. He has no real significance as himself so I recommended that both Ronnie Radke and Ronald Joseph Radke be locked as redirect pages to Escape the Fate to prevent any future editing until he establishes proper noteworthiness. --Wassup!!-D33DeeD33Guy...R.I.P. Dad 20:27, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Zero news coverage. FurrySings (talk) 00:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, but that's just factually incorrect. He has received news coverage, partly for his musical career, mostly for his legal issues. !voting like that which disregards that truth of the matter is not worth making. Fences&Windows 20:50, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • See the following, some behind paywalls: [2][3][4][5][6][7][8]. I'm not saying we can construct a biography independent of the band, but sources do cover him. Fences&Windows 21:01, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:17, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I think we can consruct a decent BLP with the sources found by FencesandWindows. Bearian (talk) 21:42, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fences and windows may have provided sources, but they all refer to his involvement in an event that is not even notable enough for its own article. (Other than the first source, however, they are all valid, reliable 3rd party references; the first is a blog.) The event in question is a fatal beating in which he was charged with battery; his conviction resulted in a fine of USD$90,000 and he left the band as a result. This should be mentioned in the band article (Escape the Fate) to explain why he left, but he is not notable enough to merit a stand-alone article in his own right. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû _(blah?) 03:01, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Yeah there are some sources but mostly involving legal troubles which have little significance. For his music career, the majority of it links to Escape the Fate, a band that kicked him out before they reached the mainstream radio world. His new band isn't notable and had little importance. I vote delete--Wassup!!-D33DeeD33Guy...R.I.P. Dad 20:48, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - According to itunes Radke's album is escape the fates top album, He will be releasing a new album in early 2011, and has had many interviews and fame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newburro (talk • contribs) 23:27, 24 February 2011 (UTC) — Newburro (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. - Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 23:48, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: this article has previously been discussed at AfD under a different title. See [9]. It may be elegible for speedy deletion under G4. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:53, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  Since noting the above I have noticed that it has also been discussed twice at DRV. So I don't think there is any need to waste more time here and I have deleted under G4. This should go through DRV before recreation. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:56, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.