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The result was delete. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 05:33, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Shawn Crossen[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG as mentions of him in second and third party sources are trivial at best and usually not independent of the subject. Also not notable as an author or filmmaker per WP:CREATIVE. Nikki♥311 03:22, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. He's a vanity-press writer who's been spamming Wikipedia with his non-notable self-glorifications [1], most of which I'm not yet done tracking down. Qworty (talk) 04:35, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No non-trivial independent third-party sources whatsoever.--Korruski^Talk 12:32, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not notable. WP:BIO, WP:GNG, WP:V Chzz ► 15:11, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It appears that Qworty (talk) has some kind of personal vendetta against the subject matter. The article itself contains several notable third party references and doing a simple google search you can find even more. Just because Qworty (talk) does not like or agree with the subject matter in question should in no way give it any kind of merit for deletion. Independent news agencies such as KSTP-TV [2], Star Tribune [3] and CANOE [4] are all good independent sources that have featured articles on this subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.83.174.67
Comment. The trivial local coverage offered here does not meet the standards for WP:CREATIVE. Also be aware that this is part of a WP:WG series of three articles created by a WP:SPA for WP:SPAM purposes. All three articles are up for AfD, nominated independently by three separate editors. The other two AfDs are here: [5][6] Finally, it should be noted that in all three AfDs, the only person thus far to vote keep has been an anonymous ISP from the subject's hometown, thus perpetuating the original WP:COI. Qworty (talk) 09:58, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete His film may be notable, but notability isn't inherited and Crossen himself seems to have no independent coverage at all. EEng (talk) 16:36, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. While I will admit that I am located in the Midwest, I am in no way affiliated with this author. But I do find his story fascinating and definitely a very interesting piece of history to say the least. While it may be true that Crossen personally has little independent coverage, but then again, the significance of what he did took place nearly 25 years ago, so not having any coverage today is no surprise. I think what is important here is the content, or the significance of what took place. His story has significant importance in the history of wrestling for the time frame it took place, what he did was indeed historical. His Book Pro Wrestling Kids' Style and DVD NWF Kids Pro Wrestling: The Untold Story are basically a documentation in media form that describes a very historical and unique series of events that would be considered significant to certain history buffs, especially those in professional wrestling. I am no expert on all the rules of Wikipedia, but having read this book, and watched the DVD, this is the kind of person that I feel should be remembered for what he did... not for his recent endeavors, but for what he did back in time. Honestly, isn't that the purpose for Wikipedia in the first place? For those of you wanting to "Delete", are you basing this on Crossen's actual accomplishments and contributions he made historically? Or is it all about how much you can find 25 years later surfing the web? This is certainly a question worth asking, but please, know his story before answering, otherwise you're just judging a book by its cover. --97.83.174.67 (talk) 02:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but it doesn't matter what he did, only what people (other than he i.e. his own book and movie don't count) said about it 25 years later. If no one's written anything about it, it's not notable for Wikipedia purposes. EEng (talk) 12:58, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Followup As discussed in a related AfD,[7] you've stretched the assumption of good faith past the breaking point with your coy statement that you're "located in the Midwest," which is disingenuous to the point of being a lie: your IP locates you in a small town (pop. 2000) which happens to be Crossen's residence. Unlike the mainspace articles, which will be invisible after deletion, these AfD discussions are available permanently -- perpetual monuments to your sad efforts to keep milking the achievement of your teenage glory years. EEng (talk) 06:03, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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