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The result was withdrawn by nominator. John254 22:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Volusia County Road 4164[edit]

Volusia County Road 4164 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

This article is entirely unreferenced, and concerns an apparently non-notable road. John254 20:36, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Inherently, all state highways and county roads are notable. The name is a bit off, though. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:USRD/P. Also move to County Route 4164 (Volusia County, Florida).  V60 ^{VTalk · VDemolitions} 03:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Florida is an exception. It should be County Road 4164 (Volusia County, Florida). -- NORTH ^talk 03:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep County routes are part of the project. -- J-A10 ^{T · C} 03:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and move to V60's suggested location - per V60 and Rschen7754 • master_son^{Lets talk} 03:55, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Was this once a state road? I'm not sure that all county roads should be automatically notable. --NE2 04:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment (I'm not going to state an opinion just yet.) There has been nothing yet, AFAIK, that says county roads are inherently notable. As I understand it, the line was drawn at state highways. I see nothing on WP:USRD/P that shows notability of county roads. --Sable232 04:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Route 309A (Florida)? Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/County Route 66 (Dutchess County, New York)? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 04:35, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • 309A was a state road; 66 is apparently a major historic road. I've written a few articles about secondary state highways in Virginia, which would be county routes in most states, but I'd vote to delete many of them, since residential streets in unincorporated areas are secondary state highways. 4164 looks more major that that, but it's not clear how much more major. --NE2 04:50, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • A line must be drawn somewhere. So, hypothetically, a street a block long with no structures on it is automatically notable because it happens to be a county road, one of thousands in a state? I do not find that to be a sustainable policy. If we keep trying to assert notability of everything that has ever been paved, I think the majority of WP will tire of this and nearly all road articles will be lost as a result. --Sable232 05:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment 309A was closed as no consensus. 66 was closed keep, but there were certainly dissents, though in the minority.DGG 05:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• No personal opinion on this article. Just to clarify the "precedent" to the extent which it exists. As NE2 said, 309A in Florida is a special case – there are several Florida state roads that were decommissioned and became county highways. (I don't believe this is one of those.) Apparently Dutchess CR 66 has some historical significance, but to be honest I think the main reason it was kept is because it faced the backlash of a couple of WP:POINT nominations by User:Edeans. A third county highway conveniently left off the precedents list is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dutchess County Route 33, which was withdrawn after the article was merged and redirected to a town article. I honestly don't think there's any precedent for county highways. -- NORTH ^talk 06:04, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment there may actually be enough to write about it. "Osteen-Maytown Road should be fully paved within 18 months, a county official said last week, ending more than 30 years of debate about the 21-mile dirt roadway connecting Osteen and Oak Hill." "Drive down Osteen-Maytown Road and you won't see a single housing subdivision or restaurant, not one gas station or grocery store. There's no Lowe's, no 7-Eleven and no McDonald's. For 13 miles, there's nothing but scrub and dirt and sky. There's not much left like it in Volusia County." --NE2 08:19, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep and rename if more can be said about the road; otherwise merge with a page for all county roads in Volusia County (List of county roads in Volusia County, Florida or something similar). --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 18:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• I'm going to disagree with the idea that all county roads are inherently notable. Maybe County State-Aid Highway 1 (Hennepin County, Minnesota) is notable because it's an old road that connected Fort Snelling to Shakopee, Minnesota, but County State-Aid Highway 2 (Hennepin County, Minnesota) is just an arterial street in Minneapolis. The question is: Where do we draw the line of notability? I'm having trouble believing that anything below a state's primary highway system is inherently notable. No vote, just food for thought. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 18:32, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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