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Category:Australian education organisations

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:Australian education organisations to Category:Educational organisations based in Australia per convention of Category:Educational organizations by country. Any resulting inappropriate categorisations should be distributed elsewhere around the category tree. --Xdamrtalk 14:46, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Per representations ([1]) from User:Orderinchaos, Category:Australian education organisations is relisted for further consideration. --Xdamrtalk 14:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Propose renaming Category:Australian education organisations to Category:to be determined by consensus
Nominator's rationale: This is to bring in line the subcategories of Category:Educational organizations by country after a contested Cfr-speedy. Both Category:Educational organisations in Australia and Category:Educational organisations based in Australia would be okay for me. This might also be a good place to come up with concrete inclusion criteria for all of these categories. Do we want them to be used for any kind of organization? Both private and state-driven? Both for students and by students? Both for teachers and by teachers? Both for educational institutions and driven by these? And should the institutions be included themselves? PanchoS (talk) 23:25, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Contents of the contested Speedy Cfr
  • I'm perfectly fine with your proposal to "let em all in" ;-) I just wanted to make sure the inclusion criteria are being thought of. Still I don't think the "based in" clarification is necessary here as it is not necessary in most subdivisions of organi(z/s)ations. IMHO it's just making the category names more and more clunky. Finally there are not going to be many transnational organizations. However I won't insist on that – I'm happy if we're going to find a consensus on this, then I can nominate the missing categories for a new speedy-Cfd next. Cheers, PanchoS (talk) 01:23, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The one who did these “mean” things obviously was me. Now I filed a WP:CFDS so the invidious "z" probably won't bother you any longer.
To the point: Your position on the exclusion of organisations by and for students, teachers, professors, as long as they don't provide education themselves, implies you have an inclusion rationale in mind that differs from what BrownHairedGirl proposed and I agreed to. That is perfectly okay, we can certainly do it this way. However as we then were excluding quite a number of organisation types, another category might be necessary to hold them, maybe a supercategory "Educational organisations based in Australia" (basically, organisations involved in the educational sector) with this one here as a child category. Don't know if this makes sense or is just confusing.
Now let's reexamine your position from another perspective: Isn't it true that the state archives, government departments, museums etc. you mention and the schools that are included as well, are not just some kind of "education organisation" but that more specifically they are "educational institutions"? So why don't we separate them out as such, which would nicely integrate with Category:People by educational institution in Australia. See also, the Australian Department of Justice definition of "Educational Institution", which seems to cover quite exactly the use cases you have in mind. PanchoS (talk) 11:27, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I reinvented the wheel, as BrownHairedGirl mentioned exactly this distinction between mere organisations and, more specifically institutions. This would also perfectly integrate with Category:Educational institutions which I “polished up a bit”, meaning I added preexisting but disconnected categories such as Category:Educational institutions in the Philippines Category:Educational institutions in Prague, Category:Educational institutions by year of establishment, Category:Educational institutions by year of disestablishment, Category:Bahá'í educational institutions, Category:Orthodox Jewish educational institutions, Category:Educational institutions of the Moravian Church or Category:Academic institutions. I didn't touch the category currently discussed here to avoid acting preliminarily. However, I think that this move would make much sense. PanchoS (talk) 12:53, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A little confused as to what you mean re parent category - as the category here would be the parent category and educational organisations would be the child (in fact, it already is in a way, as schools and tertiary institutions hang off this one.) My understanding of "educational organisations" would be "organisations whose business is, or who are involved in, education". Archives, govt departments and museums are *not* "educational institutions", they are either administrative or cultural institutions - an archivist or a librarian would not see their role as education, they would see it as preservation and collection; however, the facility may well employ an education officer or produce leaflets, and I'm assuming that's why whoever assembled the category included them. And that still leaves what to do about the student organisations, which provide non-educational services to people in education.
I am not sure at all what you mean re the DOJ link (it's a state govt in Victoria btw, and the definition is for the purpose of determining whether someone should be allowed to work with children or not) - it only seems to include schools and TAFEs, and explicitly excludes universities as universities generally don't have under-18s studying within them. It does not include any of the other categories. Orderinchaos 17:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Libertas in the Czech Republic

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The result of the discussion was: Delete all and merge into Category:Libertas. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:34, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Libertas in the Czech Republic (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Libertas in France (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Libertas in Germany (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Libertas in Greece (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Libertas in Latvia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Libertas in Poland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Libertas in Portugal (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Libertas in Slovakia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Libertas in Spain (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete and merge just the main articles to Category:Libertas — While several articles on Libertas' activities (or in these cases non-activities) in specific countries have been smerged following a AfD, some others articles remain as Libertas was at least active in these countries. However Libertas.eu seems to be defunct as all its websites have been deleted. So all these categories do is hold members of loose one-time coalitions of minor parties for the 2009 European Parliament elections. From the present perspective, this seems to me an example of overcategorization (in 2009 it might have been thinkable that Libertas would emerge as a political power for years to come, so the creator was not necessarily wrong). Rather the information that the member parties joined the Libertas campaign in 2009 should be included in all parties' articles which I see didn't happen in some cases. — PanchoS (talk) 22:24, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Songs sampling Kool & the Gang songs

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:31, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Songs sampling Kool & the Gang songs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Sampling of Kool & the Gangs songs are not defining characteristics of the songs placed into this category. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 22:21, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Kool&The Gang is one of the most sampled groups of all time, as you can see by the large number of songs in the category. Shaliya waya (talk) 22:43, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Seems like the samples are indeed relevant if not defining at least for many of the listed songs. PanchoS (talk) 01:27, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As precedent, what would have been a possible parent category, Category:Songs that sample previously recorded songs, was deleted per this CFD as trivial. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 15:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Bibliophiles

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: No Consensus. --Xdamrtalk 14:34, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Bibliophiles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. A bibliophile is a person who loves book, especially "for qualities of format." This essentially could be renamed Category:Book collectors. This category is being applied pretty much to anyone who was a book collector, whether or not said collecting is why they are notable. Isn't this essentially just categorizing people by hobby or interest?—in other words, by a trivial characteristic. (For example, John Maynard Keynes is in the category—collecting books is not mentioned in the lead of his article, and it's hardly a defining characteristic of the fellow. Also included in the category are people who are notable for being actors, politicians, criminals, sports writers, philosophers, nobility, novelists, military leaders, diplomats, religious leaders, and others.) In the past we've deleted categories for cat lovers, bird lovers, members of debating clubs, aviation spotters, Morrissey fans, D&D enthusiasts, and others, and I'm not clear on how this is any different. If we need a category for people whose relentless book collecting and the problems it caused is the reason of their notability, then Category:Bibliomaniacs may be more appropriately created: see bibliomania. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:58, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hey, you're in a really good temper tonight ;-) You all are perfectly right in that this category is both trivial and undefinable. I'd say I'm a bibliophile and I certainly know hundreds more. If being bibliophile starts with the first book someone really, really likes, aren't there billions of bibliophiles? Support deletion per nom and selectively add people to Category:Book and manuscript collectors. — PanchoS (talk) 01:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I probably should declare an interest here: I routinely sleep with a book. Most nights, I take of all my clothes and get into bed with one ... and on the other nights I go to bed with more than one book. Does this make me a bibliophile? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
After some investigations, I am hardening in favour of keeping thius, suitably trimmed. Where else to put Bernhard von Mallinckrodt, Harry Buxton Forman, Stephen Blumberg etc? Though there is a case for Category:Book-related criminals. I have started trimming the category, mostly by transfers to the "collectors", & removing this from many people already in those cats, unless they also wrote extensively etc. The likes of Benjamin should go from both. Johnbod (talk) 17:59, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Now you've stirred me up & I've set up Category:Convicted book-thieves! Johnbod (talk) 18:26, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:United States student societies

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The result of the discussion was: Rename all. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:43, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:United States student societies to Category:Student societies in the United States
Propose renaming Category:Australian student societies to Category:Student societies in Australia
Propose renaming Category:Belgian student societies to Category:Student societies in Belgium
Propose renaming Category:British student societies to Category:Student societies in the United Kingdom
Propose renaming Category:German student societies to Category:Student societies in Germany
Propose renaming Category:Pakistani student societies to Category:Student societies in Pakistan
Nominator's rationale: for consistency with Category:Student societies by country, "Category:Organi(s/z)ations based in ..." and most other "per country" categories.
Note that I had incorrectly emptied these category out of process. I apologize and am now taking this to the correct process for reevaluation. PanchoS (talk) 19:31, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Places affected by the 2010 Chile earthquake

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. --Xdamrtalk 14:51, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Places affected by the 2010 Chile earthquake (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. More earthquake recentism leading to "newsy" categories. The places "affected by" the 2010 Chile earthquake are mentioned in 2010 Chile earthquake, and I therefore don't see a need to categorize the places so mentioned. There are a number of problems with doing so. First, "affected by" is an extremely vague phrasing which could mean almost anything—how does one know exactly where to draw the line in deciding what to include and what to exclude in this category? Do we include just those places mentioned in the article? If so, why don't we include the places that received tsunami warnings (these are mentioned in the article), which was pretty much every island in the Pacific Ocean? (The island I live on was "affected", because I was woken up in the middle of the GD night by the stupid tsunami siren.) Second, this is not defining for the places so categorized. Sure, it's in the news right now, but in the grand scope of time, is Santiago, Chile going to be defined as a "place affected by the 2010 Chile earthquake"? Not likely. We can delete it now, or we can delete it in 4 months from now. Either way, I can't see it lasting that long. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:20, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People in Messianic Judaism

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. --Xdamrtalk 14:40, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:People in Messianic Judaism (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Totally arbitrary inclusion criteria. Some of the entries include Matthew the Evangelist, Mary (mother of Jesus), John the Apostle, Saint Joseph, James the Just, and even Yeshua (name). Upmerge any genuinely relevant articles to Category:Messianic Judaism or Category:Messianic Jews. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 07:16, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and label the category not for first-century Christian/Jews. Maybe add a link to Category:1st-century Christians. Carlaude:Talk 04:00, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Flexible circuit

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The result of the discussion was: Delete:
  • Category:Flexible circuit
  • Category:Rollable electronics
--Xdamrtalk 14:42, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Flexible circuit (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Flexible circuit (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. I can't see that this category serves any purpose. The sole article is Flexible electronics, which is already in Category:Flexible electronics. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:47, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Hans Bethe Prize recipients

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:16, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Hans Bethe Prize recipients (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Overcategorisation per WP:OC#Award_winners. There is already a list at Hans Bethe Prize, and this category appears to have been created as a kind of navigation template, which I have now created properly at ((Hans Bethe Prize recipients)). BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:10, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Independent bookstores based in Maryland

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. While there's no consensus into a double merge (Category:Independent bookstores of the United States), this can be done even without this CfD, and appears to me to be correct as long as Category:Independent bookstores of the United States isn't deleted. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Independent bookstores based in Maryland to Category:Bookstores based in Maryland
Nominator's rationale: Merge. This category has only one article, and it does not appear it'll have any others added any time soon. Even the target category is small. Given this, it is more ideal that they be a single category. Sebwite (talk) 01:02, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think they need to be merged into the entire US list. For the category to have 4 seems fine to me; there may be occasional additions in the future, even some articles that already exist. And the category for a state does serve as a navigation aide, since people often search for something within a state. But surely, you do not need two separate but similar categories for just 4 articles! Sebwite (talk) 20:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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