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Category:Rus templates Australia

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 15:02, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Rus templates Australia to Category:Australian rugby union stadium name templates
Nominator's rationale: A longer name, but hopefully more useful (especially when out of context). Also, Rus.
Sardanaphalus (talk) 22:38, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've since noticed similar templates in "Rus..." categories here, set up by TheMightyPeanut. I'll point him/her toward this thread. Sardanaphalus (talk) 10:35, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Protestant clergy

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:33, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge/Rename. Category:Protestant clergy by denomination was renamed to "religious leaders" in June 2013, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 June 5#Category:Protestant ministers by denomination, and the categories nominated here should follow suit. Note that the contents do not all use "clergy" but a variety of "clergy", "ministers" and "pastors", according to denominational usage. See Category talk:Religious leaders#Clergy categories for my overall proposal to rationalise the categories of Christian leaders. – Fayenatic London 23:14, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Birdlife International national partners

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:31, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We don't normally categorize organizations by whether they are in partnership with another organization. Also, this may not be a permanent characteristic. For info: there is List of Birdlife International national partner organisations. DexDor (talk) 21:30, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ukrainian national liberation

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:32, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Consistency with existing categories (such as Category:Catalan independence movement, Category:East Turkestan independence movement, Category:Indian independence movement, Category:Inner Mongolian independence movement, Category:Korean independence movement, Category:Kurdistan independence movement, Category:Puerto Rican independence movement, Category:Sri Lankan independence movement, Category:Taiwan independence movement, Category:Tibetan independence movement, Category:Tuareg independence movement, Category:Vietnamese independence movement). Charles Essie (talk) 19:35, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pre-Reformation bishops in England and Wales

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:31, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Pre-Reformation bishops in England and Wales
Nominator's rationale: In contrast to its name, this category also contains a large number of post-reformation Anglican bishops. The problem is that its child categories (by diocese) aren't split up by pre- and post-reformation. So then you can't really have parent categories split up by pre- and post-reformation either. Another symptom of the same problem is WP:OVERLAPCAT, it overlaps a lot with Category:Anglican bishops by diocese that has a similar collection of child categories by diocese. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:43, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't follow this logic. Split the Roman Catholic bishops into what exactly? There is already a Category:Post-Reformation United Kingdom Catholic bishops - is this the kind of split that you had in mind? Laurel Lodged (talk) 23:03, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would oppose the creation of two new categories for exactly the same rationale as this nominated category. We can't distinguish pre-reformation at parent level if that distinction isn't made at child level. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:47, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Of course we can distinguish them. It happened when the first bishop (of London?) was appointed by the King without the approval of the Pope. Laurel Lodged (talk) 23:00, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Theoretically we could - but the current childcat structure (by diocese) doesn't accommodate for it. So if you insist on keeping the category, then the category should be emptied and every pre-reformation bishop should be added individually. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:40, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's a better solution than deletion. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:03, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm open to that. Emptying a category and building it up from the ground up is not that far off from deletion (with no objection to recreation from scratch). RevelationDirect (talk) 12:32, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This is exactly the kind of ugly sectarian argumentation which the current category seeks to side step. It avoids claiming "ownership" for the Pre-Reformation bishops: each side can, with justification, claim them as their own. To delete it means that the RC tree structure would have to "reclaim" their "lost" bishops. Ditto for the Anglican tree structure. The post-reformation arguments above may well be true but are not germane to to this discussion which is confined to the Pre-Reformation period. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:57, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that we should treat this as just a Wikipedia problem (of non-matching categorization schemes at parent and child level) rather than as a dispute to which church these bishops belong. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman Catholic clergy in Germany

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. I see the category was recently created by the nominator, so it should have been accepted as a speedy under WP:C2E. Moreover, all the contents are subcats are sub-cats beginning "German", not "...in Germany", so it would have made sense to accept this. I suggest that the nominator may create the suggested category anyway, and make it a sub-cat of this one. – Fayenatic London 15:10, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename this is close to C2C: the proposed name matches with its parent (by nationality, not by country), matches with the most frequently used naming style of its brother categories and matches with all of its child categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:28, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment this was opposed as a speedy rename, as it's not a perfect C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:28, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Reply But Category:Roman Catholic clergy by nationality is not its parent. It's true parent is Category:Roman Catholic clergy in Europe. This is the correct geographical parent. I noticed that the nominated category was not a child of this cat and so have taken the opportunity of linking them. I hope that you don't mind. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:14, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually I do mind that you asked me a question without informing me straight away that you made this change. Also I guess this is sort of circular reasoning: you don't agree with the nomination, so you make a change that supports your own view. Then what about the child categories? - they're all nationality based. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:47, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do you mean that you are on the same track as SFB? If so, see my reply to SFB above. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:02, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman Catholic clergy in Argentina

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. As above, there is no objection to creating the required category as a new sub-category of this one. – Fayenatic London 15:26, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename this is close to C2C: the proposed name matches with its parent (by nationality, not by country), matches with the most frequently used naming style of its brother categories and matches with 2 of 3 child categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:17, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If there is consensus about the proposed rename, the 3rd child category, Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Argentina needs to be removed from this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:17, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Reply But Category:Roman Catholic clergy by nationality is not its parent. It's true parent is Category:Roman Catholic clergy in South America. This is the correct geographical parent. I noticed that the nominated category was not a child of this cat and so have taken the opportunity of linking them. I hope that you don't mind. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:32, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Birtnagar

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The result of the discussion was: G7 speedy delete. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:50, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:People from Birtnagar
Nominator's rationale: By request of author. A simple misspelling of Category:People from Biratnagar which I didn't realize at the time and accidently started a new category.Inter&anthro (talk) 13:28, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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