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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 01:02, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Comorian women by century to Category:Comorian women

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here. Mason (talk) 23:57, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 01:02, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:African-American women neuroscientists to Category:African-American women scientists and Category:African-American neuroscientists
Propose merging Category:African-American women biologists to Category:African-American women scientists and Category:African-American biologists
Propose merging Category:African-American women computer scientists to Category:African-American women scientists and Category:African-American computer scientists
Propose merging Category:African-American women chemists to Category:African-American women scientists and Category:African-American chemists

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between race, gender, and scientific field. WP:EGRS doesn't apply because the literature in this area uses chemistry etc as examples. (fwiw, I think that the parent intersection <African-American women scientists> meets the criteria for egrs as a meaningful intersection/substantial academic research etc) Mason (talk) 22:58, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per WP:NARROWCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:23, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 01:05, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:7th-century Indian novelists to Category:7th-century Indian writers and Category:Indian novelists

Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. There's only one person in the entire 7th-century novelists tree. Mason (talk) 21:44, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just delete, the article is already in Category:7th-century Indian poets and Category:Indian male novelists. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:08, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 01:02, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:Airstan accidents and incidents to Category:Airstan and Category:Accidents and incidents by airline of Russia

Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. there's only one page in here (and none in the airstan parent category) Mason (talk) 20:55, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:09, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 20:18, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Loyola Greyhounds rugby to Category:Loyola Greyhounds

Nominator's rationale: Only one redirect in category. Let'srun (talk) 19:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:10, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Per nom. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:37, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Buildings and structures by city and Category:Buildings and structures in Paraguay. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 20:18, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures in Paraguay by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Paraguay

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 18:44, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Dual merge per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:10, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dual merge, also to Category:Buildings and structures by city. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:12, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep and nest under European people. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 01:03, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:People from the Republic of Geneva to Category:????

Nominator's rationale: I would like some clarity on the nested category structure. Are people from the Republic of Geneva nested under Swiss people? I (and @Aciram:) interpret them as being nested, however, one other user @Sapphorain:, does not, and has removed Genevan people from Swiss categories (when there isn't a Geneva specific version), claiming that they are "incorrect"(see User_talk:Smasongarrison#Swiss_categories and Talk:Marie-Aimée_Lullin#Swiss_versus_Genevan_categories for recent examples. Mason (talk) 18:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, the point of the category is that Geneva was an independent city state, it did not belong to the Swiss Conferacy. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle, I also think it should be kept. Can you share your thoughts on the relationship between the categories? "Are people from the Republic of Geneva nested under Swiss people?" Mason (talk) 22:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- No, that is plain wrong, they should be under European. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:27, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, and nest under European people. Geneva was an independant city state for almost three hundred years, and did not join the Swiss Confederacy before 1815. Before that it was alternately under Savoy rule and Church rule, and at the very end under French rule. So I agree with Marcocapelle that it should not be nested under Swiss people, but under European people.

Swiss categories could however stay as parent categories, if deemed a convenient classification tool, but should not appear directly in the pages categories as this would convey false information, especially when a precise time indication is featured: a category of the type « 18th-century Swiss such-and-such » labelling a citizen of the Republic of Geneva conveys the false information that Geneva was in Switzerland in the eighteenth century, and this is unworthy of an encyclopedia.

The comparison often made with Italy in order to justify Swiss nesting doesn’t stand: Italy has been called « Italia » as a region for more than two thousand years; Tacitus calls it thus in his Historiae. There is no such old established name regarding Switzerland, which derives its name from the small Canton of Schwytz, and was not used to designate territories before they actually joined (or were invaded by...) the Swiss Cantons.--Sapphorain (talk) 22:10, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the keepers. SportingFlyer T·C 19:53, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 20:16, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:16th-century scientists from the Republic of Geneva to Category:16th-century Swiss scientists and Category:Scientists from the Republic of Geneva

Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge because there's only one category in here, and swiss scientists are a more largely populated parent category Mason (talk) 18:24, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just delete after I added the article to Category:Mathematicians from the Republic of Geneva and Category:16th-century French mathematicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:18, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Professional wrestlers who use face paint (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Tag teams who use face paint (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: A trivial characteristic. User:Namiba 16:30, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:03, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:18, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:National Liberation Front (Algeria) people of the Battle of Algiers (1956–1957) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:French military personnel of the Battle of Algiers (1956–1957) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NARROWCAT. User:Namiba 16:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. We already have Category:Members of the National Liberation Front (Algeria) and Category:French military personnel of the Algerian War which are much more to the point. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:18, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:10th-century mathematicians by nationality to Category:10th-century mathematicians
Propose merging Category:9th-century mathematicians by nationality to Category:9th-century mathematicians
Propose merging Category:8th-century mathematicians by nationality to Category:8th-century mathematicians
Propose merging Category:7th-century mathematicians by nationality to Category:7th-century mathematicians
Propose merging Category:6th-century mathematicians by nationality to Category:6th-century mathematicians
Propose merging Category:5th-century mathematicians by nationality to Category:5th-century mathematicians
Propose merging Category:2nd-century mathematicians by nationality to Category:2nd-century mathematicians

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one (or two) nationalities in here, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 14:39, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Meanwhile there are two subcategories in every century but they are very thinly populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:08, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Medieval sports. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:14, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Pre-14th century in sports (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Obvious example of WP:OCMISC. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:42, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alt rename to Category:Medieval sports and add the 14th and 15th century as subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt rename per Marco Mason (talk) 04:01, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Support rename per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:13, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Fictional characters by descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional American characters by descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional American characters of Asian descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional American characters of Arab descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional American characters of Chinese descent
Propose deleting Category:American superheroes of Chinese descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional American characters of Indian descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional American characters of Iranian descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional American characters of Japanese descent
Propose deleting Category:American superheroes of Japanese descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional American characters of Korean descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional American characters of Pakistani descent
Propose deleting Category:Asian-American superheroes
Propose deleting Category:American superheroes of Chinese descent
Propose deleting Category:American superheroes of Japanese descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional American characters of Thai descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional American characters of Vietnamese descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional American characters of Chilean descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional American characters of Cuban descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional American characters of Mexican descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional Australian characters of Indian descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional British characters of Asian descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional British characters of Indian descent
Propose deleting Category:Fictional British characters of Pakistani descent

Nominator's rationale: delete in the spirit of WP:G4, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_April_11#Fictional_characters_by_descent. Formerly they were named e.g. Category:Fictional American people of Chinese descent etc. but that does not really change things. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:37, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RevelationDirect, SpinnerLaserz, DexDor, Dimadick, Otr500, Carlossuarez46, and Soetermans: pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:49, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Since these have a different naming convention, the editor who recreated these would not have been aware of the prior consensus. But the onus here should really be on the creator to describe why these are different or how they comply with the editing guidelines, otherwise be deleted per WP:G4. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete All These have the same combination of WP:OR, WP:OVERLAPCAT, and WP:OCEGRS as the last time. The reliable sources in Johnny Gat list the character as Asian American but the voice artist is Korean American so Wikipedia editors have made the determination the character is also Korean American. Samurai (Super Friends) is listed under both Japanese and Japanese American super hero categories (without evidence of emigration) but is really defined by being a fictional Samurai so I added him to Category:Fictional samurai. Chloe Frazer actually belongs in the category tree but, in addition to being described as of Indian ancestry, she is also "sexually forward" and a "reckless adventurer"; the ancestry is one line in the backstory among many and not defining. I'm not cherry picking articles here, those were the first three I clicked on. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:46, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all Per RevelationDirect. Dubious confirmation of the characters' descents is a major issue, but even if they were all correct it would fall under WP:OCEGRS. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all: Per RevelationDirect that pretty much covers it all. -- Otr500 (talk) 04:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. In addition to WP:G4, in most cases fictional characters are actually not defined by their ancestry as most have no fictional ancestry specified, with exceptions. They are, however, defined by ethnic stereotypes more often than real people, but that's not what these categories are for. Place Clichy (talk) 17:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Category:Fictional American characters of Indian descent was untagged. I have tagged it now.
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Delete all per above discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:13, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Qwerfjkl, any reason you relisted this though? Genuinely curious because the consensus is unanimous. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:16, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Omnis Scientia all categories must be tagged for a week before closure, to allow time for adequate discussion. As I noted in my relisting comment, one of the categories was untagged, so the discussion now needs to be open for another week. Qwerfjkl talk 20:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Qwerfjkl, ah, I see! Thank you, I didn't know that! Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all (pinged): Per RevelationDirect (WP:OR, WP:OVERLAPCAT, and WP:OCEGRS) and Place Clichy ("fictional characters are actually not defined by their ancestry"). Going too deep, as well as categories that aid in misrepresentation, hinders aid to navigation because of category clutter with unnecessary overcategorization. Wikipedia editors should not "have made the determination" for dual categorization (Johnny Gat) without sources. It is not only a misrepresentation but blatant group WP:original research. -- Otr500 (talk) 16:49, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:13, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:17th-century Greek Orthodox bishops to Category:17th-century Eastern Orthodox bishops

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation. (If kept, I think it should be renamed to 17th-century bishops of the Church of Greece to make it clearer that this isn't necessarily for greek nationals) Mason (talk) 14:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Also imho "Greek Orthodox" is an unnecessary category layer altogether. There is no church body named Greek Orthodox Church, there are just many Eastern Orthodox churches that use Greek language in their liturgy. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:28, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Video game characters by species and containerize. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:11, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Non-human characters in video games to Category:Video game characters

Nominator's rationale: Classifying things as "non-human" fails WP:NONDEF. It's about what characters are not, rather than being about what they are. The subcategories are indeed defining, since they refer to what a character is. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:22, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as Category:Video game characters by species, and purge any articles from the resulting container category. AHI-3000 (talk) 18:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I wouldn't really have an issue with this either as it would be made a pure container category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rename and containerize per above. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Films starring Sonia Agarwal (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: We don't create categories for actors. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:36, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

understood. I am a new editor. Happy for deletion of the category. Newhaven lad (talk) 08:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:PERFCAT. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 04:19, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above arguments. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. VegaDark (talk) 15:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Gabonese women by century to Category:Gabonese women

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need for a category with only a single category in it. Mason (talk) 02:30, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Even with a second subcategory in it this would still be a redundant category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Category:21st-century Gabonese rappers and Category:Gabonese rappers. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 01:10, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:21st-century Gabonese rappers to Category:Gabonese rappers and Category:21st-century Gabonese musicians

Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. there's not enough people in this category to justify diffusion. (only page member is already in 21st century American rappers) Mason (talk) 02:26, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:SMALLCAT. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:30, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. For the record, you have been made aware several times that smallcat is no longer wikipedia policy. Mason (talk) 06:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Koavf, courtesy ping in case you missed this comment. Mason is right about WP:SMALLCAT no longer being Wikipedia policy but you have brought it up a few times while voting in a bunch of recent Cfds. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:19, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diffs to your claim, please? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Koavf, Here's the first two i dug up. [1] [2] Mason (talk) 22:32, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you did not notify me, I did not see the claims either time. If you want to ensure that I see them, please make sure to ping me, as I don't typically follow the ins and outs of CfDs after I comment. Thanks for these and for your earlier comments. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Upmerge per nom. Neither Category:Gabonese rappers or Category:21st-century Gabonese musicians are populated enough to require such diffusion. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 05:02, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:32, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I changed my mind. Just delete since the only article is about an American musician rather than Gabonese. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:38, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:17, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He is also Gabonese. You can be both. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- You can, but there is nothing in the article that suggests he is. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:20, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per marco. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and also delete Category:Gabonese rappers per same rationale. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:22, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Right. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:19, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Herbie films to Category:Herbie (franchise)

Nominator's rationale: This seems to be the main article of the category. (Oinkers42) (talk) 01:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Video game gameplay

Category:Comorian women by century

Category:African-American women neuroscientists

Category:7th-century Indian novelists

Category:Airstan accidents and incidents

Category:Loyola Greyhounds rugby

Category:Loyola Greyhounds football seasons

Category:Buildings and structures in Paraguay by city

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Category:16th-century scientists from the Republic of Geneva

Category:Professional wrestlers who use face paint

Category:National Liberation Front (Algeria) people of the Battle of Algiers (1956–1957)

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Category:17th-century Greek Orthodox bishops

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Category:Albums arranged by Tony Glover

Category:Films starring Sonia Agarwal

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Category:Herbie films

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