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myg0t[edit]

There isn't a CSD that this article falls under so overturn and relist. Kotepho 20:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vote changed to remove "protect". cacophony 21:52, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why would you assume there is some kind of "enemy group" at work? 166.127.1.201 12:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, Geogre: only you could use the word "nonce" and expect people to understand it. :) --maru (talk) contribs 03:25, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
At least it's a small word. Usually, I get in trouble for saying things like, "the proliferation of mediocrity is not its own excuse, nor is the absence of a quality any obviation of the need for that quality." Is it worth explaining to the IPer that the sentence didn't say that I thought there was an enemy group but rather that his fellow anonymous cowards did? Nah. Geogre 14:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to be assuming I'd interacted with myg0t before. This is not true. I don't play any online games, so I could never have encountered them. --maru (talk) contribs 07:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The group has been mentioned and/or featured in three international publications, including rolling stone magazine, and its actions have been the topic of news stories in two international news sources (CNN and BBC). USER-cacophony 08:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Could you get title, date, author, etc for those mentions? People don't seem to have that information even for the mentions in gaming magazines that people have taken pictures of. Kotepho 22:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What myg0t wants is of no concern. Whether the article should be here is something we decide, not the subject.
What myg0t wants is democracy. Your act of speedy delete is completely contrary to the idea of a democratic vote. If you feel it is your place to decide what is acceptable on Wikipedia based solely on 5 hours of off-peak comments then you are, for all intents and purposes, not a fan of democracy.
Well, that's too bad. WP:NOT a democracy. --Rory096 04:22, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How do you expect to claim ANTI-CENSORSHIP when you keep deleting the article (which was written professionally) simply because you can't see past your own nose? Ask anyone that plays online games. myg0t is well known to MILLIONS, and that's not on a national scale, that's on a global scale. Games included are anything STEAM related, Silkroad Online, the UNREAL series, Live for Speed 1 and 2, the complete DEER HUNTER series, Halo2 (XboX Live), the Battlefield Series, All Blizzard Games (WOW, D2, SC, WC3, etc.), the QUAKE series, the DOOM series, Anarchy Online, The Lounge (Which is still in BETA), CHURCH OF FOOLS was obliterated and reconstructed due to myg0t as was HABBO HOTEL. Chat invasions include: Any and All IRC channels, Vent channels, Teamspeak servers, MSN, YAHOO, AIM. More forums than you could ever go to in a lifetime have myg0t mentioned in them. This online group is feared all over the internet. Anyone seeking information on this group should absolutely be allowed to gain as much knowledge about them as possible. Negating any online rumors with FACT. PROVEN FACT, the [myg0t] tag is an instant BAN on literally hundreds of thousands of ANTI-CHEAT programs. So the question being asked, "Is myg0t well known enough for a wiki article?" Answer? "You bet your ass." --chozo_ninpo 12:25, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Prior AFD's should have no bearing on current AFD's. The fact that an article has, in the past, been deleted is by no means a reason for it to be deleted again in the present. The very fact that you can petition for an undeletion is a testament to this basic premise. I will reiterate: prior consensus to delete should have no bearing on current deletion as long as the previous problems were addressed. In the case of myg0t, the problems were ones of notability and vanity. These were both deemed to be acceptable by Wikipedia standards in the March 2006 deletion review. Notability, as we can all agree, cannot decrease as time goes on. Relevancy, sure. Notability cannot. myg0t is notable for their period in history. Vanity was also established to not be an issue in the March 2006 review. The article that was deleted was an informative article, contained a neutral point of view, and had information that was true about a group that was relevant and had already established itself in the public's eye. None of these fall under what anyone would consider a reason to delete due to vanity any more than any other page on Wikipedia.
The existence of the undeletion process is a recognition mistakes can be made. Nothing more. Or are you suggesting two AFDs (and a third that was going to close as Delete before I made it moot) were both wrong? Once is coincidence, twice is enemy actions, as the saying goes.
How did you now the AFD was going to be wrong? Or that it was going to close as Delete? There was only *5* hours between the AFD and your Speedy. By the time the proponents knew of the AFD the page had already been deleted. OverlordQ 06:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that the undeletion process was used and enforced in this case points to the fact that, as you said, a mistake was made. I agree though, once is coincidence and twice is enemy action. The enemy here, of course, is overzealous admins who have a grudge against myg0t, not myg0t itself. The two AFDs were on the basis of notability and vanity, both of which were overturned in the March '06 DR. There is no way to justify a SD on this article except administrative bias.
In the May 13, 2006 AFD which was Speedy Deleted by that maru kid, the groundwork brought forward to enforce a SD were G1 and A7. SD on the grounds of G1 is idiotic to the extreme as the article was coherent and relevant. A7 was addressed in the March 2006 deletion review which ruled in favor of undeletion and reinstatement. A relevant issue is, of course, G4. G4 refers to recreation of deleted material. It quite clearly states that G4 can only be applied if the page is "deleted according to the deletion policy, except if it is ... undeleted per the undeletion policy" which the myg0t article clearly was. Further, even if this were a candidate for G4, it would be ruled out under the fact that the article that was deleted on May 13, 2006 was significantly different from the articles deleted in 2004 and 2005.
I'm no "kid", but at least you got the name right... You place a lot of emphasis on the first DR, which was rather dubious. G4 can be applied to any of the numerous creations and deletions between the first and second AFDs, so it was relevant.
Calm down kiddo, the first DR must have a lot of emphasis placed on it because it was the most recent ruling. You don't use law precedents from the 1500 to rule on cases that are brought forward in 2006. G4 can be applied to many of the creations and deletions between the first and second AFD but, as I stated, cannot be applied to the most recent speedy deletion by you. It is a gross act of glossing over what happened and is plain wrong.
Now, the internet champion who deleted the article most recently, maru, has demonstrates a clear lack of understanding for the criterion that a speedy delete is acceptable under. He has stated at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Myg0t (sorry pals, I don't know how to use your crazy code to link) the following: "Two AFDs is quite enough for a marginal online crufty article." This quote exemplifies both the bias that maru has against myg0t and his inability to enforce Wikipedia's own rules fairly and with consistancy.
Internal links are hardly crazy... they're a lot simpler than HTML links. As for my bias, like all administrators, I am indeed biased against stuff that does not belong on Wikipedia. You don't show any evidence of inconsistency, and I think my deletion was eminently fair; at the very least, you must admit that any unfairness of mine is not at all transparent and obvious. Look at the votes on this page to see what I mean.
I'm not familiar with your Wikipedia editing system. I've only spent 30 minutes looking into your rules and regulations on deletions, I'm not too concerned about how your page formats. I don't much care for the myg0t article, despite being in myg0t. What I do care about is people who claim to be impartial and democratic going against all tenets of those two ideals. The inconsistancy is between you and what the Wikipedia guidelines for speedy deletion are. You clearly did not follow them and are, hence, being inconsistant. The votes on this page are moot in regards for the AFD, as this is a DR. If you want opinions on an AFD then you should have let the AFD go for more than 5 hours before closing it. You knew myg0t would win that AFD and you moved quickly to SD under false pretenses.
This vote should not even be happening as it is clear that the administrators must weigh in favor of myg0t and undelete the page. After the page is undeleted an AFD can be put forward or the one that is already opened can be continued without impartial activism by some Wikipedia admin that got raged by myg0t. As it stands, a speedy deletion cannot be explained under any circumstance and is entirely unacceptable. - [myg0t]NWA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.227.89.77 (talk • contribs)
Impartial activism? As I told some other fellows, I don't play online games, so I've never been "raged" by myg0t. --maru (talk) contribs 17:43, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
myg0t does not operate only in online games. More importantly however, impartial activism doesn't mean that you've had a run-in with myg0t before. It simply means that you should never have taken a look at the issue in the first place because you are, as you yourself have said, biased against articles you think shouldn't be on Wikipedia. You have already admitted to being biased against myg0t. You appear to operate under the same ideals as Judge Dredd where you are judge, jury, and executioner. Unfortunately for you, you underestimated myg0t in this case. While you may be the judge and executioner, we shall see what the jury has to say. - [myg0t]NWA

--Nineteen84 18:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)Undelete - A conversation with Marudubshinki (admin who deleted the article) in wikipedia IRC revealed that he was, in fact, a myg0t rage victim:[reply]

User's ninth edit. Note that nothing I said in IRC (incidentally, are you aware it's considered bad form to quote stuff from #Wikipedia, or to log it?) actually supports Nineteen84's assertion. --maru (talk) contribs 19:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder why Marudubshinki is acting so defensive? cacophony 20:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree the quotes show nothing, but why is logging IRC considered bad form? that doesnt make any sense to me... Modest Genius talk 22:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Gee, maybe maru is behaving "defensive"ly as you suggest because all of you myg0tters are attacking him unjustifiably? IRC logging is a violation of Wikipedia policy, and can be interpreted as a copyright violation, as well. Keep deleted, valid admin decision. And Wikipedia is not a democracy. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:48, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In case you haven't noticed, I'm not attacking him at all, but if you want to be litigious, it's actually not a copyright violation at all, as public speech on a public, open network is classified as fair use. cacophony 02:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the log snippets. Please read the blurb at the top of this page. Jude (talk,contribs,email) 01:47, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb noted. However, I have been unable to find a justification for that policy, care to point me in the direction of one? It seems a little strange that postings to a publically viewable IRC channel should be prohibited from further disemination. Oh and the policy clearly states that the relevant punishment for breaking the policy is banning from the channel(s) (or death by elephant), not censure on wikipedia itself. Modest Genius talk 12:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In case you haven't noticed, there has only been one AfD since the article was restored in accordance with public consensus, and it was prematurely closed, and the article speedied with no CSD, which is why this vote is here. cacophony 02:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree, it is time to move on. I find it ironic though that you would claim "its [sic] time to move on" while petitioning for removal Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Myg0t. Interesting how you haven't "moved on." Let's move on though, and undelete and relist or whatever it is you people do here when your rules are broken. -[myg0t]NWA
Don't forget the article in rolling stone magazine. cacophony 19:42, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we can take the unusual step of applying sprot to the AfD to reduce the inevitable sock infestation. Just zis Guy you know? 09:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not so. The attention is just because it has attracted a lot of newly-registered users; we frequently see equally large groups of meatpuppets and sockpuppets for other non-notable web forums, clans, and webpages. Simply having a few hundred (or even a few thousand) people reading a forum doesn't automatically make a subject encyclopedic, not even if they're all directed to go to the AfD or DR and vote on it. Having every single member of Myg0t or whatever comment here, in other words, can result in an exceedingly long page but isn't going to do anything to get the article kept. --Aquillion 12:54, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As opposed to you telling all your friends to come here and vote against it? (If you can make unfounded assumptions, so can I.) cacophony 00:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well the alexa.com link I posted above showed how many users visit there site..--|«Andeh?»|Talk? 13:09, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, their site does not get many visitors. It is not even regularly in the top 300k sites in terms of popularity, which means perhaps 1000 visitors on a good day. +sj + 14:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So in other words, you're assuming that every new user here is a myg0ter? That seems somewhat presumptuous Modest Genius talk 14:15, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There isn't really anyway to tell if a user here is a myg0t..--|«Andeh?»|Talk? 05:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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