The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 22 May 2023 [1].

Coccinellidae[edit]

Nominator(s): LittleJerry (talk) 22:18, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about ladybirds, also known as ladybugs, lady beetles and ladybird beetles. The FA list could use a beetle-related article and these are arguably the most recognizable of all. Special thanks to Chiswick Chap. LittleJerry (talk) 22:18, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from Ling[edit]

Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 00:58, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 00:58, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Added two. Can't find identifier. LittleJerry (talk) 00:58, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was gonna teach you how to find identifiers (sometimes you just google!), but dude, it's right there on the article itself. Just look at the article and scroll down just a little bit. It's there in a box under the keywords. § Lingzhi (talk) 04:37, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Added. LittleJerry (talk) 11:27, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Its a news article. There is no identifier. LittleJerry (talk) 00:58, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Guardian has an ISSN number. You can find it, forex, in the Wikipedia article about that publication. § Lingzhi (talk) 04:43, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why is the ISSN number for the publisher itself important? I've never had to do this an previous FACs. LittleJerry (talk) 11:28, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've just now been informed that for newspapers, it isn't customary to require identifiers. So you're OK. § Lingzhi (talk) 12:40, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gog the Mild:, Nah, if I'm gonna do a source review, I'll mark it "Source Review". Nominators let all kindsa questionable (sometimes highly questionable) stuff slip through the references section, thinking no one will ever look. And sometimes they are right. I spent hours writing User:Lingzhi2/reviewsourcecheck so that reviewers could call nominators' hand (hands?) on slipshod reference sections (though it sometimes gives false positives, esp. w. p/pp errors and ISSN for news). So I just summarized the output in this and other FACs. It just means this: "Clean up the formatting and consistency of your references". § Lingzhi (talk) 23:06, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ling. I had thought that - I have already posted a request for a source review - but on reflection it seemed wisest to check. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:12, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from SilverTiger[edit]

Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 19:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 19:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 19:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Clarified, the traditional subfamily scheme is not supported by genetics. There's no need for a cladogram. LittleJerry (talk) 19:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well there are lot of them. They would take up a lot of room. Chiswick Chap? LittleJerry (talk) 19:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SilverTiger12? LittleJerry (talk) 22:49, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This still seems like a rather short article for such a large family, but support. SilverTiger12 (talk) 02:23, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from KoA[edit]

I expanded Coccinellidae#As_pests a bit to cover the specific examples sources typically talk about since one species tends to dominate the pest side of the discussion. Right now the section gives a good overview without being exhaustive, and it's the only section I could find that was lacking a little at this point. KoA (talk) 16:37, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Jim[edit]

Very comprehensive, but some queries Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:20, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed all. LittleJerry (talk) 12:52, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed a couple more larva(e) pupa(e) issues, all looks good, Support Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:00, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image review - pass[edit]

All images seem to be well-placed. Regarding File:Brumoides suturalis (10.3897-zookeys.803.22543) Figure 16.jpg, File:Endomychidae - Brachytrycherus bipunctatus.jpg and File:Palaestes nicaraguae male.png, where are the licences stated on the sources? File:Lymexylon navale (adult).jpg and File:Ladybug larva (Coccinellidae).jpg have a broken source. Do we know the source page for File:Coccinella septempunctata-norarte.jpg? The copyright tag implies that it comes from a website. I think the ALT text should probably use capitalization. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:38, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Zookeys and Biodiversity Data Journal state they are licensed under 4.0 CCL on their homepage. I replaced one image with a broken source. The other was uploaded by the author (and I removed the link). Replaced File:Coccinella septempunctata-norarte.jpg. Capitalized alt text. LittleJerry (talk) 11:51, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gog the Mild, I think Ling did the source review. What kind of source review are you looking for? LittleJerry (talk) 18:21, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi LittleJerry, apparently not - see above. The usual sort, as in WP:FASOURCE. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay then. Jo-Jo Eumerus, could you do it? LittleJerry (talk) 23:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass[edit]

Sources seem to mostly have the required information, but I note that some have identifiers like PMID and S2CID and others don't. Some academic papers link the paper itself and others only a DOI. Books are sometimes inconsistent on displaying a publisher or not displaying a publisher. Not source related, but I wonder why the 1976 summer in Europe merits its own paragraph. Spot check on request. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:10, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some have these identifiers and others don't. Some papers need access via PDF since their are no other identifiers given. I fixed the rest. LittleJerry (talk) 11:32, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Jo-Jo Eumerus, all good? LittleJerry (talk) 14:28, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not strictly source related, but I still wonder about the 1976 paragraph. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:05, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wonder what? I bunched it so it is no longer is its own paragraph. LittleJerry (talk) 22:41, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I was wondering why that summer is being singled out for a mention. It's sourced to two newspapers - one wonders if newspapers in other countries have similar reports, which makes me wonder if the single-out is WP:UNDUE to this article. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:23, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The 1976 heatwave is notable enough to have its own wiki article and is covered in more articles than the ones cited (as a google search shows). The "ladybird plague" was a notable feature of it. It is not undue. LittleJerry (talk) 12:06, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can you confirm whether you think the image and sourcing issues have been addressed? LittleJerry (talk) 12:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 14:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Funk[edit]

Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:42, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the image would fit in Etymology. LittleJerry (talk) 15:32, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking more like the pretty small gallery in the culture section. FunkMonk (talk) 19:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can't add it there. Its is not an actual depiction of ladybugs. LittleJerry (talk) 01:20, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not that I'll press this further, but the gallery doesn't indicate it's only for depictions of ladybirds, the entire section is about their cultural significance. FunkMonk (talk) 10:30, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 01:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 01:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 01:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 01:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 01:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not much. It already mentions the historical subfamilies. LittleJerry (talk) 01:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Added. LittleJerry (talk) 01:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
FiXed. LittleJerry (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Its historical. LittleJerry (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't say. LittleJerry (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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