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The article was promoted by David Fuchs via FACBot (talk) 10 May 2024 [1].


Etika[edit]

Nominator(s): PantheonRadiance (talk) 07:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Desmond Amofah, better known as Etika, rose to popularity through his gaming videos, reactions, and spirited personality. However, his life took a tragic turn when he publicly underwent numerous incidents due to his struggles with mental health, leading to his suicide in June 2019. I nominated this article for three reasons.

  1. Etika was the reason I created my Wikipedia account. When I first heard of his passing, an overwhelming mix of emotions whirled in the pool of my mind, with regret leaping for air the most. As someone who saw his unraveling in real time, all I wanted to do was change the past, but was powerless to do so – instead I focused on the future. In 2023, I brought the page to GA status as a healing process of coping with tragedy through copy-editing and typing. This year I continued my journey in hopes to bring it to FA.
  2. If everything goes well, Etika would become the very first article of a YouTuber, and perhaps an Internet personality, to reach the coveted title. This is quite unprecedented territory in several ways, and I feel that in those same ways there couldn't be a more fitting person to wear that crown, because
  3. His story is a compelling yet tragic tale about one's journey through fame and battles with social media and mental health. Although dealing with troubling subject material, Etika's life is one future generations deserve to know about. I wanted to do my part in honoring his life and legacy.

I'd like to thank @HappyBoi3892, Vaticidalprophet, Masem, and VARNAMi: and every other contributor to the article. Thanks, PantheonRadiance (talk) 07:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from ChrisTheDude[edit]

I only have time to look at the lead right this minute, but I picked up these points:

I'll look at the body later.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:44, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from NegativeMP1[edit]

I'll take a look soon. I'll likely do an image review alongside one for prose. λ NegativeMP1 19:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't able to find any issues with the prose, and all images are free to use. My only comment is requesting the addition of alternative text to all images for accessibility. λ NegativeMP1 23:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to apologize for the halt on this, I forgot that I put this down. Since alt text has been added, I'm giving my Support.
Hi NegativeMP1, could I just check which of the following camps you fall into?
  1. A general (prose and MoS) support only.
  2. An image review pass only.
  3. A general support and an image review pass.
Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk)
The third one, images look fine to me and I didn't see any issues with the prose. λ NegativeMP1 17:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Skyshifter[edit]

Skyshiftertalk 19:41, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Skyshifter and NegativeMP1: Apologies for the late response - I've been trying to find more suitable substitutes for some of the primary sources the past few days. I replaced some so far, but even the Wayback Machine isn't helping me here - some of the videos aren't even archived properly (like the 200,000 sub video where source 8 comes from). This might be a case where the reuploads either remain as surrogate archives per WP:IAR or rewritten entirely; I'll let other editors weigh in on this. Considering how sparingly they're used however, I don't think it should be too much of a loss if removed. Also, I implemented the Alt Text. PantheonRadiance (talk) 09:05, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, just checking in. Anyone still have more comments for the article? PantheonRadiance (talk) 00:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4/19 Reply: Skyshifter Hey, I just wanted to let you know that I fixed the formatting for several of Twitter and YouTube sources. Unfortunately, after searching for several weeks, I was unable to locate other sources that replace 2, 3, 4 and 6. In advance for the source review, I would like to refer to this past discussion, and if the reviewer is okay with it based on said discussion, I'll leave that section intact. Otherwise, if I still don't find any by next week, I'll trim that info. Besides that, any other comments and suggestions? PantheonRadiance (talk) 06:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly I don't think the fact that these were reuploads was made very clear in that discussion. For example, one user referred to "self-published primary sources". However, self-published here would mean published by Etika himself, and that's not the case here: the sources were published by, basically, random Internet users. Again, the problem of reuploads is that the content could be edited or altered in a way not intended by the person themselves (in this case, Etika). I think more opinions are necessary here. Skyshiftertalk 13:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Skyshifter: As a compromise, I rewrote the Early Life section without the videos because I still haven't located his original clips through the Wayback Machine. I kept two SPSs directly from him - his own tweet and his "25 Things About Me Video": here's the proposed version. Also for the record, I did clarify in the discussion that they were originally self-published videos by Etika, but were deleted as a consequence of his channel terminations, meaning that the reuploads are literally the only remaining sources. PantheonRadiance (talk) 21:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good! Skyshiftertalk 21:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Skyshiftertalk 23:52, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. A general (prose and MoS) support only.
  2. An source review pass only.
  3. A general support and an source review pass.

And if you have passed the sources, do you consider that you have also done a first-timer's source to text fidelity spotcheck and/or a first-timer's plagiarism check? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. This is only a general support. Skyshiftertalk 13:27, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from DecafPotato[edit]

Just a drive-by comment: In the second paragraph of the "Origins and popularity" section, the article states that he was earning over $300,000 a year through stream donations. The New York Times article to which this quote is attributed says that When the sessions got frank, or the high jinks got crazy [...], viewers would shower the chat with donations. At one point Etika claimed he was making over $300,000 per year. That source, to me, doesn't attribute the income directly to stream donations (although donations are mentioned in the previous sentence so it does carry that implication). Would it be better to rephrase that sentence to "he was earning over $300,000 a year through streaming" (or some other variant that doesn't explicitly mention donations)? DecafPotato (talk) 20:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense; how about "$300,000 a year through his internet career"? PantheonRadiance (talk) 19:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That works for me. DecafPotato (talk) 07:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Elli[edit]

  • Expanded based on suggestions, but the GhanaWeb source notes that their relationship was unclear (a clip where he talks about his father was used as a SPS, but it's a reupload so it may not be permissible).
    • Looks good.
  • The previous sentence already has "under the name," so I'll just omit "during that time."
  • That was meant to be for the claim that he modeled during his early 20s - swapped the sources around.
  • Pulled to YT career section, but I couldn't find a way to integrate the subscriber info without it feeling awkward. I think it'd make a good summary as is.
    • That's fair.
  • AFAICT, his relationship with Cardona was his only verifiable one. Besides that, outside of SPSs and secondary sources already in the article, there isn't much I could find of his personal life anymore. Also, the only info of his mother I could find is in relation to the aftermath of his passing, which is why details of her are included later in the article.
  • 4Gamer translation says this: "Amofah began sending direct messages to his friends and famous YouTubers one after another, and blocking them if they did not receive a sincere response". Appended ref there and readjusted accordingly.
  • Decided to remove.
  • Agreed and changed; it has more source integrity (plus every other translator I used says hit). Also added his claim the officer hit him first based on both sources.
  • Agreed and changed.
  • I'd include one but I'm admittedly unfamiliar with uploading images, especially non-free ones. I'd leave this to anyone with expertise in this.

Overall, this is quite good. These are just some minor nitpicks and shouldn't be too difficult to deal with (also if you disagree with me on some of them, that's fine, just let me know what your thoughts are). Elli (talk | contribs) 23:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Elli: I think I addressed them all, and also added and revised some statements too. Please let me know if you have any other concerns or comments. Thanks, PantheonRadiance (talk) 05:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Everything looks good to me! Happy to support now :) Elli (talk | contribs) 20:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update 5/1/24: Just wanted to let you all know that as of now, I'm finished with editing the article for the time being. Most of the new additions from the past few days were basic copy edits and small but pertinent details, in line with the comprehensiveness criteria. At this point I'll continue editing after more feedback arises. Also pinging @Skyshifter and DecafPotato: any more comments, or do you offer support for the article now? Thanks, PantheonRadiance (talk) 02:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No other comments, I'm glad to offer my support for the article. DecafPotato (talk) 23:18, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source rev/spot check[edit]

In progress; this version reviewed. ——Serial Number 54129 14:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting
  • IIRC, several Asian and European journalists typically write with pseudonyms or pen names. I can't pinpoint where I read this at the moment, so I just used the name listed on the articles.
  • I based it off of other YouTuber articles like PewDiePie, Ludwig Ahgren and Drew Gooden. But would a simple ((reflist|group=PS)) suffice? PS for primary source? Open to any ideas here.
Quality

As expected in a topic such as this, most of the sources are devoted to popular culture. And why not. I don't suppose it's much within the purview of The Times features editor. Several papers are of record, and there's an academic text also. Must AGF on foreign language sources, likewise pay-per-view sources. Hey WaPo, democracy dies behind a fucking paywall, pal.

  • LMAO yeah, had to climb so many walls working on this. As a general note, I tried my hardest to make sure all the sources were fully reliable per RSPSS and/or WP:VG/S and used marginally reliable ones for more basic claims where appropriate.
Spot check
  • Sorry, did you mean 3b and source 4 for the "exaggerated style" statement? Or were you referring to the police officer incident for 48?
  • Yeah, I tried to avoid close paraphrasing a bit here so I listed it chronologically from his first to his last upload.
  • Fair enough, decided to omit.
  • Trimmed esports.
  • Persona Studies also said "…resulted in Keemstar terminating his contract with G Fuel (he claims)".
  • Fixed, but it actually says it reached 370,000.
There's a few things to be clarified.
I adjusted the curious Wikidata link per WP:REDYES. If there's a real need for the WD link—I can't remember ever seeing it before on a FA—then a ((efn)) is probably the place for it, rather than in the middle of (per WP:FA?#1) otherwise "engaging" prose. ——Serial Number 54129 17:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Serial Number 54129 Fair enough. I added it based on Vaticidalprophet's suggestion in the GA review (he worked on Marie Sophie Hingst which has them), but I appreciate your adjustment. As for everything else, besides the one question I had, I think I more or less addressed your comments. But please let me know if you have any more feedback or concerns. Thanks, PantheonRadiance (talk) 03:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've answered only where absolutely necessary, PantheonRadiance; my silence=acquiescence. Your reasons are acceptable and within the parameters. The sourced review is passed. It's a powerful article, a brutal exposé of the dark underbelly of what gets bundled into a lightweight, easy-listening culture... an effervescent but transistory "pop" culture with the eternal inner turmoil of human beings at its heart. ——Serial Number 54129 14:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome, thank you so much for reviewing it! And I agree, Etika's story is like a portal to the ever-expanding dark side of internet culture.
One last thing though: on the "Reactions and analysis" section, I just added one more statement from The Verge about doctor and then-Panda Global CEO Alan Bunney's thoughts on the situation as well (he was CEO at the time, but left in late 2022, so I omitted because I wasn't sure how to include this without another source). PantheonRadiance (talk) 20:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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