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User:Grazon[edit]

Suspected sockpuppeteer

Grazon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Suspected sockpuppets

Blackeagles (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Thanklesshank (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

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SlamDiego_←T 11:18, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence

From Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Grazon#Grazon 5:

At the close of the fourth checkuser, Matthew Brown (Morven) noted Blackeagles and Thanklesshank as possibly a socket-puppets of Grazon.

From Special:Contributions/Blackeagles it can be seen that Blackeagles exhibited and continues to exhibit behavior very much like that of Grazon:

• a tendency towards edit summaries that are absent or sarcastic (Skim or scan his edit history.)
• preoccupation with attempts to erase or disparage atheists, for example:
  1. an edit in which an author's hostile description (atheists as “raging”) is made the encyclopedia's description
  2. an attempt to have the category “Atheists” removed altogether from the encyclopedia, including a votestacking campaign
• edit-warring, as in his attempts to identify Lenin as a Jew or as atheist ([1],[2],[3],[4],[5],[6],[7],[8],[9],[10],[11],[12],[13],[14],[15],[16])
• promotion of Christianity, as in his edit-war to identify Superman as a Christian ([17], [18]*, [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24])

The following are not themselves problematic, but are shared traits:

• pronounced interest in the Christian Left
• pronounced interest in the Boy Scouts

Also, Grazon identifies himself as a historian (jointly: [25] with [26]) and Blackeagles singles-out historical research as his area of academic interest.

Only 15 edits have been made by Thanklesshank, only seven of them since Matthew Brown (Morven) expressed suspicion, and all seven of those on the same day (28 May, UTC). Two of the seven were part of the edit-war to identify Lenin as a Jew or as atheist ([27], [28]) and by differing categories that were also used by Blackeagles. Two were to relabel Marx from “humanist” to “atheist”. ([29], [30])

Please skim or scan the past requests for checkuser.

Additional evidence from J.S

• Very similar style of commenting on talk-pages... compare this to this edit on Grazon and this (and this) edit on Hoofheartedinthewinnercircle].
• Also note: A similar style of completely ignoring standard talk-page formatting and etiquette that seems to be a consistent theme on each account. For example, there is a similar failure to sign properly.

Evidence addendum

After a month of quiescence, the Thanklesshank account has been used for another edit (“having checked on my account to day”). This one edit was to the Wikiquette alert where Blackeagles had made most of his effort to agitate in response this charge of sockpuppetry, and the edit entailed the same sorts of syntax and formatting errors that were made by Blackeagles in that and other discussions (for example, in CfD:Atheists). —SlamDiego_←T 22:28, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Since the conclusion to the latest checkuser by Thatcher was

Blackeagles and Thanklesshank are both at CSU Chico, but so are a few other good users, so it's  Possible with final determination to be made on behavior, I think.[31]

I now ask that admins examine the behavioral evidence (provided to motivate the checkuser). —SlamDiego_←T 11:39, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Please note the retaliatory SSP page. I will comment on the behavioral patterns after I've had a chance to investigate further. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 17:19, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interjection: the retaliatory page was speedy-deleted, as it was a clear-cut attack page --Jaysweet (talk) 19:09, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is my opinion, based on the above evidence any my own experience with Grazon's MO that this is a sockpuppet of Grazon. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 18:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• I'd like to draw attention to the fact that both Blackeagles and Thanklesshank implicitly claimed familiarity with Grazon's beliefs, each claiming that Grazon had ascertained that my account must be a sock-puppet. Now, I don't recall the Grazon account being used to level this accusation against me; if it was, then the accusation was made somewhere off the beaten track. So their familiarity or claimed familiarity with his beliefs adds to the case that the accounts Blackeagles and Thanklesshank are really simply his. —SlamDiego_←T 03:31, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Conclusions

I strongly recommend blocking both accounts as blatantly abusive sockpuppets or (less likely) real-life friends. They edited within an hour of each other on 30 August 2007. (Yes, I check for such clues.) The nail in the coffin is the appearance of Thanklesshank on the Wikiquette alert where Blackeagles attacked SlamDiego. Thanklesshank did not receive a talk page notification about this, and had not edited in the last month, so more than likely he is a sockpuppet of Blackeagles. Even if he is not a sockpuppet, there would have to be some off-wiki collaboration to motivate Thanklesshank, who is not exactly the most active editor on the planet, to back up Blackeagles in a bitter argument. Either way, something is badly wrong here, and the only just solution is to indef-block both accounts, without answering the question of whether they are also Grazon. Yechiel (Shalom) Editor review 23:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd consider this closed. The accounts have been abandoned for a few weeks now and blocking isn't really necessary at this point. If activity starts back up, they should be blocked. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 02:54, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Query: If these accounts should definitely be blocked if-and-when they again become active, why not block them now? Grazon has sometimes left accounts previously accounts dormant for months and then resumed activity with them. —SlamDiego_←T 03:31, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Blocked; no reason to leave these open for abuse later; behavioral evidence and possible checkuser make it pretty clear that these are either the same person or meatpuppets at absolute best. Shell ^babelfish 23:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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