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Template:Netbible
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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted per G7 by User:Athaenara. Ricky81682 (talk) 19:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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My bad! Afaprof01 (talk) 21:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Since you're the only author, you can use template:db-author instead of waiting this out. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 02:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Gustavus
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 06:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Orphaned, and link was broken (now at 1632_characters#Gustavus_II_Adolphus_of_Sweden). Ricky81682 (talk) 18:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- delete as inappropriate. Cheers, Jack Merridew 02:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Templates this specific lead to a walled garden effect and to ownership of articles. This template, (and every one of the other 1632 specific templates) is a stunningly bad idea. Note that if they are all deleted, there will be a heck of a mess to clean up. My comments apply to all 1632 specific templates up for nomination. Fabartus has been counseled about templates that are too specific, IIRC, in the past. But these apparently have been safe behind their walled garden for some time. (18 months for this particular one) delete ++Lar: t/c 17:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Lar. Nick-D (talk) 10:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, per nom, inappropriate use of template space. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:NUS!32
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 06:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Orphaned unnecessary template Ricky81682 (talk) 18:20, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Doctor Who race 2
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 06:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Unused and not useful. Magioladitis (talk) 17:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:TheBeginning
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 06:58, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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With this edit, it's now orphaned. Ricky81682 (talk) 11:26, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Ya, not appropriate; delete. Good work, Ricky ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, orphaned, inappropriate use of template-space. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:34, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, orphaned. Plastikspork (talk) 05:58, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- delete per reasoning given at the TfD for Template:Gustavus, which applies here. ++Lar: t/c 17:51, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Siege of Amsterdam
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 06:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Link is broken and it's unclear where it goes, if anywhere. Ricky81682 (talk) 11:20, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete — now orphaned. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:52, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, orphaned, per nom. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I listed the doc page, too; goes for the same ride down the memory hole. Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- delete per reasoning given at the TfD for Template:Gustavus, which applies here. ++Lar: t/c 17:51, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Gazettes
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 06:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Not useful template. Ricky81682 (talk) 11:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Charlist
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 06:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I think I get what it's for but it's orphaned and not particularly useful. Ricky81682 (talk) 11:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Geardown
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 07:00, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't even know what this is supposed to be linking to. Ricky81682 (talk) 11:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:1632 pipetrick conventions
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 07:00, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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A template that describes how piping work. Only used for categories containing other templates (which may or may not be there for long). Ricky81682 (talk) 10:44, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:1632 links
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The result of the discussion was delete Magioladitis (talk) 07:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Ignoring the debate about whether everything belongs here under WP:EL, we don't do this. External links are supposed to be editable, not a template. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, inappropriate use of template-space. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:37, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- delete per precedents, and expect it needs a serious cull. This whole 1632-verse amounts to commercial-franchise spam. Cheers, Jack Merridew 02:56, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom Nick-D (talk) 08:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- delete per reasoning given at the TfD for Template:Gustavus, which applies here. ++Lar: t/c 17:51, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:NUS'32
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 07:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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It needs to be subst'd, but frankly a template to write out 'New United States' is not necessary. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:APC32
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The result of the discussion was delete JPG-GR (talk) 07:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Replaceable by 1632 institutions#Personnel Carrier, Armored. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Henri Turenne
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The result of the discussion was delete Magioladitis (talk) 07:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Orphaned broken wikilink. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:25, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Count Tilly
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The result of the discussion was delete Magioladitis (talk) 07:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Orphaned in articlespace and should be linking to 1632_characters#Johann_Tserclaes.2C_Count_of_Tilly anyways. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:25, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Stearns
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 07:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Orphaned broken wikilink that can be replaced with Mike Stearns with a little piping if needed. Difficult but I think we can handle it now. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Admiral Simpson
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The result of the discussion was delete JPG-GR (talk) 07:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Orphaned broken wikilink. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:John Simpson
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The result of the discussion was delete JPG-GR (talk) 07:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Orphaned broken wikilink. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Cat 1632 series
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 07:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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A template to put things into categories? Unnecessary. Someone else please subst. It's screwing up and I'm too tired to figure out why. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:R from 1632 M character
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The result of the discussion was delete JPG-GR (talk) 07:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Again, particularized redirect templates seem like a bad idea. Orphaned too. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:R from 1632 writer
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 07:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I can't believe I'm writing this, but we don't need particularized redirect templates. Ricky81682 (talk) 09:59, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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A whole batch of inappropriate templates related to "Charmed"
Template:CoC
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The result of the discussion was delete Magioladitis (talk) 07:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Now orphaned template. Was just being used to replace a wikilink. Ricky81682 (talk) 07:49, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yup, delete -- teh whole cloud should go. Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, orphaned, inappropriate use of template-space. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:47, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Fact32
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The result of the discussion was delete Magioladitis (talk) 07:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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We do not need particularized versions of Template:citation needed. If there is something missing, it should go into the main hierarchy, not locked up in its own universe. Ricky81682 (talk) 07:33, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:1632-sectstub
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The result of the discussion was delete Magioladitis (talk) 07:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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We do not need different particularized versions of Template:Expand section. Ricky81682 (talk) 07:31, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- delete as above, and as below; Bad Ideas™ found all over today ;( Jack Merridew 07:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, orphaned, inappropriate use of template-space. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:48, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Now it's orphaned ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:30, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - clutter and unnecessary distinction from the rest. I'm too lazy/sleepy to copy-and-paste this to the others; suffice it to say, I !vote deleted (unnecessarily so; these seem pretty clear-cut to me) for all the nommed 1632-related items. --EEMIV (talk) 04:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- delete per reasoning given at the TfD for Template:Gustavus, which applies here. ++Lar: t/c 17:51, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Hans Richter
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The result of the discussion was delete Magioladitis (talk) 07:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Bad idea, link was wrong anyways, and with this edit orphaned. Ricky81682 (talk) 07:14, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Frank Jackson
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The result of the discussion was delete Magioladitis (talk) 07:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Following the other Category:1632 series templates, unused and a bad idea to replace wikilinks with templates. Ricky81682 (talk) 07:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Jimmy Anderson
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The result of the discussion was delete Magioladitis (talk) 07:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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unused; seems a Bad Idea™ -- Delete Jack Merridew 05:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Tom Simpson
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The result of the discussion was delete Magioladitis (talk) 07:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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unused; seems a Bad Idea™ -- Delete Jack Merridew 05:43, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:LithuanianSurname
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The result of the discussion was subst and delete. JPG-GR (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Templates should not be used to include default text like this. It makes it excessively difficult to understand the markup and there is no ability for use references. Plus any uses of ((Pavarde. pradžia)) (see the markup in this version makes it doubly impossible for new editors to have a clue what's going on. Ricky81682 (talk) 01:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and substitute all uses. Per nom. This is definiately going to be confusing for new users. --[midnight comet] [talk] 01:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- How on Earth is it confusing in its simplicity? - Altenmann >t 01:17, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- For users experienced with templates, this isn't going to be that confusing. But what if a new user tried to edit the transcluded content? They'll probably be thinking "How do I edit this?". --[midnight comet] [talk] 01:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you suggest something better, like "header/footer"-style template pairs? - Altenmann >t 01:34, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Subst all the uses and leave it be. Use a bot or something next time. This is not the way to do things. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 02:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Who says so it is not the way? Although "subst" is a good idea, since I don't think that the template will change in the future. Why people fire the gun first and think later? I remember there is syntax which makes "subst" obligatory. - Altenmann >t 03:34, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You really think it's helpful to use templates for basic text? Why not subst the current uses, and delete the template? It's not like there's suddenly going to be later uses and it's not like there's suddenly a great need for keeping track of which ones use this. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:55, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, see this discussion for a very terrible use of this. That was just for this text. This isn't that bad but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. The template is useful and time saver in area when virtually no one cares to do something. If you find something inconvenient, please help to improve it rather than destruct. Yes there is an ability to use references. "Excessively difficult" is an excessive exaggeration: I didn't use any smart template tricks. Pavarde. pradžia comes from muy laziness: I simply cut and paste it from lithianian wikipedia. It is a plain redirect. If you don't like it, just replace with "LithuanianSurname" when you have spare time. - Altenmann >t 01:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Among other things, formalizes dealing with surname characterization, this would be very handy for Latvian as well, which suffers from the same issues. If anyone wants to clarify anything in the template for authors not dealing with the surname issue (but wanting to understand the template better), that's fine too. V??RU??? ☎ 02:52, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Again, wouldn't just writing the text out be easier, simpler to implement and just work better? Is having some template really needed? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:55, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I have no problem is someone keeps this template in their own userspace to help them write this sentence out. Same thing with the Latvian or other languages. That's an issue of MoS concern, not through templates. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:25, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete — See: Wikipedia:Template namespace; "Templates should not masquerade as article content in the main article namespace; instead, place the text directly into the article." Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This quotation is a disrepectful piece of illiterate obscurity written into a guideline. Nothing is "masqueraded": my template is a standard text, to avoid repetition, as the guideline goes, "place recurring messages into articles in a consistent manner". The other rule from this guideline is equally nonsense: "should not sed to cretate lists of links": A huge number of templates, such as ((WWII history by nation)) and many others do exactly this. Firt you write a lousy guideline, then you use it to disrupt work of other people instead of helping them to do what they need. By the way, a guideline is not a policy and cannot be indisputable reason for deletion, but it seems I am preaching in vain. - Altenmann >t 00:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The issue is the accessibility of the article text to all editor — by canning this into a template, and it seems a lot of the usages are *in* Lithuanian, you present a barrier to editing to many editors. fyi, *I* did not write this guideline, but know that it has been in effect for many years. See also: WP:ONLYGUIDELINE (which is part of an *essay*;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 01:23, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, inappropriate use of template-space. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:51, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - it's Lithuanian language tradition to have man, married woman, and unmarried woman name (there was also an unmarried man diminutive family form, but it's not used any more).--Lokyz (talk) 20:38, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The content will stay; someone will subst the template. It's the use and appropriateness of a template that's of concern. Cheers, Jack Merridew 01:23, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. The template serves its useful purpose: to provides the standard text in many articles. If this standard text is to be changed, it is done in one place, instead of editing hundreds of articles. (That's what I've just done a minute ago. I am not a genius, but I happen to know about Lithuanian surnames, and I had no technical troubles in updating.) If one thinks it has issues, they must be discussed in its talk page. I think similar templates can be useful for Slavic-language (BElarusian, Russian, etc.) surnames as well, where the surname depends on gender. Dzied Bulbash (talk) 17:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Make subst'able -- but keep only as an always subst'd template. It could be useful from time to time for editors, and we do have many subst'able templates. However, the category should not be included. It really bothers me that an example for inclusion of commentary text is to reference a different language. That's not good for a language template, and not a good sign for proper usage. Don't forget that because of the parser functions, it needs the "subst=subst:" parameter, and probably a nice comment about what template was placed. See the Category:Standardised user warning templates for example syntax. (I can fix all those things after this discussion is over.)
--William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Category removed. - Altenmann >t 04:41, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Anonvandal
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 19:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't think this template has ever been used recently. ((Repeat vandal)) practically serves the same purpose, and block notices like ((uw-block1)) are used for IPs that are currently blocked. I propose that this either be deleted or redirected to ((Repeat vandal)). [midnight comet] [talk] 00:43, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, yeah, it seems kind of redundant, and failing that, not useful. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:53, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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