Loser group promo in 2006.
Background information
GenresAlternative rock
Years active2001–2006
LabelsIsland/Def Jam
Associated actsMarilyn Manson
Rob Zombie
Gemini Syndrome
David Lee Roth
Dead by Sunrise
Kobra and the Lotus
The Feds
Psycho Plague
New Dead Radio
MembersJohn 5
Joe Grah
Charles Lee Salvaggio
Glendon Crain
Past membersElias "Bones" Andra

Loser was an American alternative rock band which was active from 2001 to 2006.

Guitarist John 5 of Marilyn Manson fame formed Loser along with his friend and producer Bob Marlette. Marlette recommended Texas singer Joe Grah, who had already had success fronting the Texas alternative rock group Jibe, as a potential vocalist for the band. John flew to Texas to see Jibe in concert and immediately invited Grah to join.[1] The group recruited fellow Texas musician Charles Lee Salvaggio on bass, as well as former The Feds drummer Glendon Crain. With the lineup secured, Loser began working on their debut album Just Like You. The band played its first show in Hollywood, California on June 9, 2005.

The name Loser came about as a reaction to John 5's past:

I was from Grosse Pointe, Michigan, which is kind of an upper-class area, and I was always that rock kid. . . . I started playing guitar at age 7. I always had a rock shirt on, and I had that tattoo early on. I looked like a loser because everyone around me was wearing Polo and Brooks Brothers. But now if you go into a club wearing Polo, you're called a loser. So I think everyone can relate to that name, and the album title, Just Like You, sums it up.[2]

When questioned in an interview regarding the band's sound, John 5 replied, "It is just great rock music. It is kinda like the Foo Fighters, Queens of the Stone Age, new-age stuff."[3]

The band had initial success not long after signing with Island Records, when their song "Nobody Knows" was added to active rock radio nationwide and their track "Disposable Sunshine" was included on the 2005 Fantastic Four soundtrack.[4][5] During the recording of the soundtrack, however, Crain briefly left the band and was replaced by drummer Elias Andra, a friend of Salvaggio's. Andra had had some success himself with the industrial metal band Psycho Plague, his own creation, which toured with Linkin Park. However, Andra soon left after promotional shots had been taken, and Crain returned. In 2006 Loser was the opening act on Staind's Chapter V tour, along with Theory of a Deadman.[6][7]

Loser was set to release its debut album, Just Like You, on May 9, 2006 on Island/Def Jam Recordings.[8] At the same time, John 5 was also working for Rob Zombie, and a conflict arose. As Zombie was also touring, John 5 tried to find a live replacement for himself while Loser was touring on conflicting dates. With promo material for the debut album already out and a release date in the bag, Island Records decided it didn't like the idea of Loser without John 5, and dropped the band from the label.[9]

"Being the founding member of Loser, my decision to leave was not an easy one", said John 5 in a press release. "I've been juggling two careers, both with Loser and Rob Zombie, for over one year now. I found it impossible to be in two places at once."[9]

Since the dissolution of Loser, Joe Grah has reformed his Dallas band Jibe and released several solo singles and videos. Charles Lee Salvaggio later went on to play bass in Filter, and guitar in Gemini Syndrome and also teamed with Joe Grah on the project I Am The Wolf. Andra is now the drummer of bands Julien-K and Dead by Sunrise. Glendon Crain went on to join Godhead and later Hollywood Undead.

In spite of Loser's album Just Like You being completed, Island Records decided not to commercially release the album. However, a limited number of promotional copies had been sent to radio stations and music critics. These rare physical copies of the album have become sought-after collectors items among fans. The official Loser Myspace page has tracks from Just for You available for download.[10]


Just Like You (2006)
1."The First Time"3:25
3."5 A.M."3:50
4."Nobody Knows"3:46
5."Disposable Sunshine"3:27
7."Without You (Inside Out)"2:59
8."Girl Like You"3:15
9."By My Side"4:22

Band members


  1. ^ Marisa Brown. "Loser Artist Biography". AllMusic. Retrieved June 10, 2021.
  2. ^ Jon Wiederhorn (April 6, 2006). "Ex-Manson guitarist John 5 proud to be a Loser". MTV News.
  3. ^ John 5 bio at Glam-Metal.com.
  4. ^ "R&R Active Rock National Airplay Week Ending 4/7/2006". Radio & Records. April 7, 2006. Archived from the original on 2006-04-09.
  5. ^ Johnny Loftus. "Original Soundtrack Fantastic Four". Allmusic. Retrieved June 10, 2021.
  6. ^ "STAIND To Support Troops With Trio Of Shows At U.S. Army Bases". blabbermouth.net. March 1, 2006.
  7. ^ Bruce R. Miller (February 18, 2006). "Staind sounds crisp in concert" (Newspaper). Sioux City, Iowa: Sioux City Journal. p. 5. Retrieved June 10, 2021.
  8. ^ "LOSER Featuring Former MARILYN MANSON Guitarist JOHN 5: New Music Posted Online". Blabbermouth.net. February 8, 2006.
  9. ^ a b "Former MARILYN MANSON Guitarist JOHN 5 Leaves LOSER To Focus On ROB ZOMBIE". Blabbermouth.net. April 17, 2006. Archived from the original on 2008-12-30.
  10. ^ Myspace Loser. Accessed on Nov. 23, 2007.