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Nolan Investigates
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GenreInvestigative journalism
FormatPodcast
Voices
LanguageEnglish
Production
No. of episodes10
Publication
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ProviderBBC
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Websitehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p09yjmph

Nolan Investigates or Nolan Investigates: Stonewall is an investigative journalism podcast, released all at once on 13 October 2021, looking into the BBC's relationship with the lobby group charity, Stonewall.

On November 10, a month after the podcast's release, the BBC withdrew from the Diversity Champions Programme and Stonewall Workplace Equality Index.

Series overview

The central focus is on Stonewall Workplace Equality Index, and the conflict of interest in Stonewall ranking companies, and then selling their Diversity Champions programme to help the company improve their ranking.

It also questions and criticizes the homogenising of LGBT people. "There’s this kind of presumption that all lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender people must think like Stonewall, if they [the BBC] think that Stonewall are the people that can fairly judge all of this."[1] While Stonewall claims to represent views commonly shared by the LGBT populace, no evidence is provided that this is actually the case.

Production

Nolan reports that when he began the investigation, colleagues warned him against reporting on transgender topics. “I’ve been broadcasting in Northern Ireland for 25 years with all the bullets and bombs, and I’ve had death threats. Yet really seasoned people were saying: ‘Do you really want to put yourself in the firing line on this?’”[2]

The investigation lasted 18 months. All 10 episodes of the podcast were released simultaneously on 13 October 2021.

Reticence

BBC

While the podcast was produced by BBC journalists, other departments of the BBC did not cooperate with the investigation.

The BBC would not put anyone up for interview.[1]

The podcast sought information under Freedom of Information laws. The BBC refused to release the information on the grounds that it could "have a detrimental impact on the commercial revenue of Stonewall".[3] The BBC also did not provide anyone for interview during the podcast.

On November 11, following the podcast's release and the BBC's withdrawal from Stonewall, Rhodri Talfan Davies (Director of Nations at the BBC) was interviewed on BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour. When questioned regarding the BBC's non-participation, he said, "I think with hindsight the BBC should've participated in that podcast."[4]

Stonewall

Stonewall also declined the invitation to take part in the series.[3] "Stonewall wouldn't put anyone up for interview. They didn't directly answer any of the 50 or more questions we asked them."[1]

Following the podcast's release on 13 Oct 2021, four days later on Oct 17, Stephen Nolan reiterated the offer by tweet:

Stephen Nolan Twitter
@StephenNolan

We would like to offer another opportunity for Stonewall to be part of our podcast series.

We would commit to creating an additional episode of Nolan Investigates, if Stonewall would like to sit down with me.

We want to listen.

Oct 17, 2021[5]

Stonewall did not take up this offer.

Episodes

Episode Summary Guest voices
1. The Brief The episode introduces Stephen Nolan and how he began investigating Stonewall's relationship to the BBC.
2. Stonewall's Schemes and the BBC Benjamin Cohen, Malcolm Clark, Rosie Duffield
3. Self-ID and Gender Identity Benjamin Cohen, Rosie Duffield, David T. C. Davies
4. Being non-binary in the UK Owen Hurcum
5. A gender clinic insider speaks out David Bell, Emily Maitlis, Hannah Barnes
6. Is Government Too Close to Stonewall? Malcolm Clark, Benjamin Cohen, Rosie Duffield, Alice Sullivan, Nicola Williams
7. Lobbying and the Law David T. C. Davies, James Caspian, Kathleen Stock, Robin Allen QC, Benjamin Cohen
8. The Debate Debbie Hayton, Owen Hurcum
9. How close was Ofcom to Stonewall? John Nicholson, Melanie Dawes, Malcolm Clark, Damian Green, John McManus
10. Is the BBC too close to Stonewall? Sam Smith (BBC journalist), Benjamin Cohen

Reception

Ten days after its release, the website Chartable listed Nolan Investigates as #3 most popular in news podcasts in Great Britain.[6][7] It later rose to #2.[8]

PinkNews, whose founder did take part in the podcast, characterized the podcast as an "attack" on Stonewall.[9] Other journalists characterized it saying, "the masterfully produced Nolan Investigates has much of the pace and unfolding urgency of Serial, The Missing Cryptoqueen or The Teacher's Pet, classics of the modern investigative podcast genre."[10]

Stephen Nolan himself reported that, "what’s been really interesting since the podcast came out is the number of people from within the BBC, from within the LGBT community, who’ve contacted us and congratulated us for asking these questions about Stonewall. There’s no unanimity of opinion among LGBT staff that Stonewall should be the arbitrators of this."[11]

Stonewall

Stonewall's only response was a single tweet on October 14, the day after the podcast's release, saying: "You might've seen a podcast about our work today. We make 👏 no 👏 apology 👏 for working towards a better world for LGBTQ+ people."[12]

The podcast is not concerned with Stonewall's work in and of itself; the focus is on whether it is appropriate for the BBC to be taking advice on a controversial issue from a lobby group, particularly when it is the only group they are taking advice from. One journalist described it as, "In other words, ‘We make no apology for something nobody is accusing us of doing.’ ... It’s a transparent attempt to dodge the actual meat of Nolan..."[13]

BBC

On November 10, a month after the podcast's release, the BBC withdrew from the Diversity Champions Programme and Stonewall Workplace Equality Index. This decision also came almost two weeks after director general Tim Davie unveiled a new 10-point impartiality plan.[14]

[O]ver time our participation in the Programme has led some to question whether the BBC can be impartial when reporting on public policy debates where Stonewall is taking an active role. After careful consideration, we believe it is time to step back from the Diversity Champions Programme and will also no longer participate in Stonewall’s Workplace Equality Index.

— BBC official statement[15]

Stonewall called it "a shame".[16]

On November 11, Director of Nations at the BBC Rhodri Talfan Davies was interviewed on BBC Radio 4's Woman’s Hour. He maintained that the BBC had not been compromised by Stonewall, but that it was "about the perception of risk... the perception of bias."[4]

References

  1. ^ a b c BBC Sounds (13 Oct 2021). "Episode 2 – Stonewall's Schemes and the BBC". Nolan Investigates (Podcast). BBC.
  2. ^ Urwin, Rosamund (23 October 2021). "BBC podcast host Stephen Nolan was warned about reporting on Stonewall". The Times.
  3. ^ a b Thompson, David. "Stonewall's influence on BBC and Ofcom revealed". BBC News.
  4. ^ a b BBC Sounds (11 Nov 2021). "Noor Inayat Khan: secret agent; BBC & Stonewall; Female MPs, Parliamentary standards & second jobs; Tim Stanley". Woman's Hour (Podcast). BBC.
  5. ^ Stephen Nolan [@StephenNolan] (October 17, 2021). "We would like to offer another opportunity for Stonewall to be part of our podcast series. We would commit to creating an additional episode of Nolan Investigates, if Stonewall would like to sit down with me. We want to listen" (Tweet). Archived from the original on Oct 17, 2021 – via Twitter.
  6. ^ Kula, Adam (23 October 2021). "Stephen Nolan transgender podcast series now among most popular in GB". The News Letter.
  7. ^ "Nolan Investigates". Chartable. Archived from the original on 23 October 2021.
  8. ^ "Nolan Investigates". Chartable. Archived from the original on 25 October 2021.
  9. ^ Parsons, Vic (16 October 2021). "Politicians and senior LGBT+ figures stand with Stonewall in wake of BBC attack". PinkNews.
  10. ^ Runcie, Charlotte (20 October 2021). "The BBC podcast holding the corporation's feet to the fire over Stonewall". The Daily Telegraph.
  11. ^ Swerling, Gabriella (18 October 2021). "BBC reporter criticises its Stonewall links and says staff scared to speak out on gender". The Daily Telegraph.
  12. ^ @stonewalluk (October 14, 2021). "You might've seen a podcast about our work today" (Tweet). Archived from the original on 14 Oct 2021 – via Twitter.
  13. ^ Roberts, Gareth (15 October 2021). "Stephen Nolan's Stonewall documentary is unmissable". UnHerd.
  14. ^ "BBC pulls out of Stonewall diversity scheme". BBC News. 10 November 2021.
  15. ^ "BBC statement on Stonewall Diversity Champions Programme". BBC News. 10 November 2021. Retrieved 10 November 2021.
  16. ^ "Stonewall statement on BBC leaving the Diversity Champions programme". Stonewall. 10 November 2021. Retrieved 11 November 2021.

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