This notice added by author at this time. Historically this item might constitute original research. Quills to the ready dudes...
Lord Sir John, 3rd Baron Dudley was born about 1495 in Denbighshire, Wales, the son of Edward Dudley and Cecily Willoughby. This John Dudley (3° B. Sutton of Dudley) "Lord Quondam" was married to Cecily Grey before 1513. A son was born of this union and named Henry Dudley (Knight Capt.) Born: 1517 Died: 1568-1570 aged about 51.
Captain Sir Henry Dudley, married an un-named daughter of one Christopher Ashton between 1545/50. Ashton's daughter died sometime after October 29th, 1588, not long before 1590.
A son born of this union was Roger Dudley, whom it is oft said, died at the Battle of Ivry, France in 1590. He is reported to have been a Captain in the Earl of Leicester's (Robert Dudley) militia, fighting with a commission from Elizabeth I, and under the banner of Henri of Navarre.
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(The failure to ascertain the true name of Roger Dudley's wife is incredible given the significance of her position within the Dudley tribe! I can not resolve the question at this time, but suggest that she has been cited as a kinswoman of Augustine Nicolls of Faxton, Northampton.); [author of initial upload: see history tab].
Roger Dudley was born sometime about 1545, London, England, but is said to have been baptised in Yardley Hastings, Northampton.
It is widely presumed he wed on the 8th of June 1575, Lidlington, Bedfordshire, to Susannah (né) Thorne, herself recorded as having been born on March 5th, 1559/60 at Northamptonshire, and baptised at Yardley-Hastings, the daughter of Thomas Thorne and Mary Purefoy.
Thomas Thorne, born about 1521 in Yardley, Hasting, England and died before May 9th, 1589 in Northamptonshire. He was the son of William Thorne and Alice, and he had married to a Mary Purefoy by 1549.
Marshall K. Kirk suggests that Roger made his home after his father's death with Peter Grey, a "Queen's servant", whose manor of Segenhoe was two miles from Lidlington, (Bedfordshire), where Roger was later married.
'When Capt. Dudley was in financial difficulty' he was married under the inconspicuous title of Mr. Roger Dudley, at Lidlington, Bedfordshire.
His bride was Susan (Susanna) (né) Thorne, the daughter of Thomas Thorne, Gent., of Yardley-Hastings, born by Mary, a daughter of Edward Purefoy, of Shalston, Buckinghamshire. (descendant of Charlemagne).
She is recorded as having died in 1585 during Child-birth, at St. Dunston's, London and again three years later in a will, dated the 29th of October, 1588, (Probate 9th May 1589), when Thomas Thorne bequeaths... "to the Children of Susan Dudley, my Daughter..." (etc.)
The will of John Purefoy (1579) also mentions a Thomas Dudley.
Mary Purefoy, born about 1533, was the daughter of Edward Purefoy and Anne Fettiplace and is recorded as having died after 1579 in England.
Cotton Mather stated that Thomas Dudley was aided in obtaining his education by Mrs. Purefoy (sister-in-law of John Purefoy): "a gentlewoman famed in the parts about Northampton for wisdom, piety and works of charity".
Roger Dudley and Susannah (né) Thorne by there union added several children to the Dudley family, being:
Thomas Dudley (2nd Gov. Massachusetts. USA)
Mary Dudley
Richard Dudley
Dorothy Dudley
Thomas Dudley the only son of Captain Roger Dudley and Susanna Thorne was born near Castle Ashby in Northamptonshire, England by all accounts to date, on the 12th of October, 1576 in Yardley-Hastings. Thomas Dudley has been described as 'a man of large and noble character' and became the second governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Dudley was a member of the first Board of Overseers of Harvard College, and in 1650 a signatory to the College Charter which established the administrative structure still in operation today. Dudley House by name honour his memory.
Thomas Dudley, has been stated publicly most commonly to have been the only acknowledged son of Captain Roger Dudley and his wife Susanna Thorne, and has been recorded as born in 1576 at Northampton, England.
On March 14th, 1590, at the tender age of 14, he became orphaned with the death of his father whom it has been said was killed during the Battle of Ivry. (No record of his combat is yet available in the public domain).
Yet in 1586, four years earlier, the Reverend Cotton Mather of Boston wrote that "Thomas Dudley's father was Captain Roger Dudley, -- slain in the wars, when -- his son, and one only daughter were very young".
A clear conflict in the facts exists here and if it can be proved that Thomas was aged 14 at this time he would have been born in 1572.
"Complex circumstantial links between Henry and Roger indicates Roger to be his son. Captain Roger Dudley, evidently, was born (perhaps in the fortress at Boulogne), about 1550."
"He may be the Roger Dudley who was matriculated as pensioner at Christ college, Cambridge University, in 1566, but left without degree."
If Thomas Dudley (Gov) was born on the 12th October, 1576, (and not 1572) even at Yardley Hastings, Northampton, England, the son of Roger Dudley (Capt) the lineage of Thomas Dudley still remains a matter of some dispute.
That his father was Captain Roger Dudley, and his mother Susan Thorne, has never been questioned, but a dispute exists concerning the name of his grandfather.
Something of this family history has to date been obscured leaving several conflicting possibilities as to this Dudley's ancestry remaining unconfirmed, this is disturbing to the family historian, but a long standing theory genealogists accept by tradition is given, in 'that he came through the Baronial Dudley from John Dudley of the Drapers Guild, back to John Sutton'. This itself is inconclusive JOHN SUTTON being a common family name.
This curious piece of information was originally postulated by Dean Dudley in his 'History of the Dudley Family' and was not questioned until research undertaken by a Mrs. Elmendorf, was presented in the 1968 edition of "The American Genealogist" (vol. 44, no.3 (July)), wherein she advanced the theory that Captain Roger Dudley was the son of John Dudley, 'Sergeant of the Pastry', whereby Roger Dudley's parents, would be John Dudley, and Elizabeth Clerke.
(N/b: this conjecture is still based on Dean Dudley's own research).
This theory implies John Dudley, "Sgt of the Pastry" was the father of Henry Sutton (Capt, Knight).
His Grandchildren thus being:
1. Thomas Dudley (Gov.)
2. Son Dudley (Poss William ?)
3. Dau. Dudley
4. Son
5. Dau. Dudley
6. Mary Dudley (b. 16 Oct 1580 - d. AFT 1586)
7. Richard Dudley (b. 1583 - d. 20 Aug 1603) [Another Richard having been born in 1623, a brother of William.]
8. Dorothy Dudley (b. 31 Mar 1585)
Richard is a missing link of some significance as a notable Dudley in need of further study whom was known to have a brother William not recorded here.
That other appropriate John Dudley was born between 1518-1528, at London, then Middlesex, England and died between 1545-1553, at London and was buried at St. Michael, Cornhill, in London.
He was a member of the Draper's Guild, a citizen and freeholder of the city of London.
This John Dudley's father was most likely the Thomas Sutton whom was married to a Margaret Threlkeld.
John wed:
1: Elizabeth Leighton. 2: Elizabeth Clerke (b1524-d1563) about 1540, Cornhill.
This John Dudley is elsewhere recorded as the son of Simon Dudley, aleged son of Edmund Dudley by Anne Windsor. Simon thus being a Step brother to the duke of Northumberland, John Dudley, a spurious genealogy by all other accounts.
Roger Dudley has been placed as a son of this family and is said to be buried (d1590), at Okley, Northants, England, consequent upon a battle that is said to have been fought at that place? Whilst Roger Dudley does seem to have had connexions with Okley no battle seems ever to have taken place their.
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