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Hi,

I added the unbalanced template to the within Korea section. It could benefit from more info on how North Korea treats various groups. toobigtokale (talk) 05:54, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Piotrus has proposed that the section for America be split out, wanted to create a thread for it here. Please let us know your reasoning for the proposal

My thoughts:

• There are two main reasons to split, as per WP:WHENSPLIT.

1. Readable prose is 4,066 words, 26.2 kB, so length alone does not justify division as per WP:SIZESPLIT.
2. I think there's an argument to be made for WP:CONTENTSPLIT, but I'm skeptical that it needs the split at present. I'm also reasonably familiar with the topic, and I'm not sure much is left uncaptured in the current section, certainly not enough to push the whole article over the length requirement for splitting.

Tl;dr I'm a bit skeptical but could be convinced toobigtokale (talk) 22:58, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Simply put, it is a notable subtopic that deserves expansion. A summary can remain here, but work should continie at the dedicated place (Anti-Korean sentiment in the United States), now just a redirect. Compare: Anti-Korean sentiment in Japan, Anti-Korean sentiment in China (both stand-alone articles). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:03, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

PS. As for our section, I don't think it is complete. It does not mention the issues related to KORUS FTA mentioned in this academic article, it does not cite this acadcemic source that uses this very term ("The association of Japanese and Korean people was reflected in anti-Korean sentiment in the United States, such as the formation of the Japanese and Korean Exclusion League" - the latter organization is not mentioned in our article at all). There is an obvious subsection missing related to Korean War and immigration that followed it - this is mentioned for exampple in this academic paper: "A study of the social distance of black college students finds that these students place Koreans at the bottom of their social distance scale. The study suggests that this negative perception may have stemmed from the Korean War (Schaefer 1987: 31)" - and that paper has more interesting elements, and literature, all of which are missing from our article. Seriously, how can we consider a section that effectively says nothing about the period from 1920s to 1990s even close to completion?

Hence I suggest splitting this off, then summarizing (shortening) what we have here to reasonable lenght. It is also jarring that the current US section at 900 words is longer than Japanese (500) or Chinese (250). Granted, those have the subarticles I linked above. Anyway, NPOV/UNDUE also weights in here for shortening the current section, as otherwise the article gives the impression that Anti-Korean sentiment is strongest, worldwise, in the USA... (due to this section being the longest in the article right now). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:18, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I should have reworded; it's definitely missing things but the big main issues I'd argue are already mostly there. Most Americans are fairly apathetic about Korea except if it's North Korea, and in recent years I feel it's ticked up to positive because of South Korean media.

Of course, the things you mentioned could/should still go in.

The UNDUE argument makes sense to me; I noticed the same thing independently before too.

I now lean neutral to positive towards split. If you're/someone's willing to flesh out the article a bit more after the split I'm a strong positive. toobigtokale (talk) 05:46, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. Frankly, I am inclinded to leave it to my students (I actually teach university courses in Korea and assign students to write Wikipedia articles :P) - although when someone will chose this topic to write about, I am unsure (they have a wide variety of choices). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:48, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh, very cool! As long as it happens I'm ok with it. I may add some stuff to it in the meantime, but not sure when as well haha toobigtokale (talk) 14:34, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

All right, then for now I think we can leave the split template as it is "something to be done". To be done when, well, WP:NODEADLINE. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:15, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]