Did Jesus claim divinity[edit]

Is there any histroical reason to believe that Christ himself made any claim to divinity outside of the New Testament which is clearly theologial. What would have the historical Jesus think about himself? Mooters 1563 (talk) 21:59, 23 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No way to know that apart from The New Testament. But Dunn argues that the belief in the divinity of Jesus may have started with Jesus' own perception of his mission. See Dunn, Jesus Remembered. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:40, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you take the Gospel of Mark by itself (considering Mark 16:8 to be the last verse of the gospel, as the rest was added on at least several decades later by a different person) --which Matthew and Luke were both based on, and is therefore the most likely gospel to be the *most* accurate depiction of what Jesus actually said, and with the least amount of made up embellishments -- Jesus does NOT claim divinity, at any point, and the ending with the empty tomb and cryptic message is a cliche Greek/Roman hero legend ending Firejuggler86 (talk) 02:27, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In Mark, he claims to be "the Son of Man" over a dozen times. This is seen as a reference of the book of Daniel, in which Daniel makes a prophecy about God. (Is this how you reply, I'm new to Wikipedia.)

Nomination for merging of Template:Christology[edit]

Template:Christology has been nominated for merging with Template:Jesus. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 04:06, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bsherr: the entry seems to be missing? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:49, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Sorry, crossed the dateline but didn't notice. --Bsherr (talk) 04:52, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Crucificion ?[edit]

‘that Jesus was human who was "adopted" by God at his baptism, crucificion, or resurrection.’

What is this word? ‘Crucificion’

And please, please, please stop using the word ‘problematic’ to mean ‘troublesome’, or ‘difficult’ or ‘causing problems’. It is a horrible American misusage for which God will punish them. And you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:44B8:3102:BB00:E578:A461:8C8C:2F8C (talk) 07:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dyophysitism in the pre-existence of Jesus Christ the Unigenite[edit]

The article defines dyophysitism as the belief "Christ maintained two natures, one divine and one human, after the Incarnation". For the pre-existence of Christ, it is wrong. Christ had a twofold human-divine nature even before the Incarnation. The pre-existence of Christ and the dyophysitism are two aspects of a unique Christologic doctrine. It is true at least for a subset of Christians.

For them, Jesus Chist God is believed to be true man and true God from ever and forever: when Jesus Christ God was generated by God the Father before all centuries, He was generated in the male flesh, or equivalently, with a human-divine male Body.

Those who believe in the pre-existence of Christ the Unigenite, also believe that God the Father had from ever and forever a human-divine male flesh. It means that the dyophysite nature doesn't belong uniquely to God the Son, but it is also of God the Father. In the Nicene Creed, they are said to be made of the same substance: that substance are their respective two human-divine bodies and their common bodiless Holy Spirit God. They can be a unique God with two fleshes and divine bodies, thanks to their common bodiless Holy Spirit God. This is the reason why Jesus was alone on the cross and could be resurrected by the other two alive divine persons.

Need and role of the Incarnation

The Paradise hosts two thrones for three divine persons of the Most Holy Trinity.

The work of the Holy Spirit God in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary didn'cause nor create the male flesh of Jesus God, whereas it creates his mortal nature. Cristian Fathers said Crist lost the impassibility of the flesh of God the Father, becoming ortal like any of His human creatures, because Incarnation was order to death on the cross and the human salvation since the beginning of the work of the Holy Spirit God.

Assuming a mortal quality on his pre-existing ehternal and human-divine flesh, Jesus became also capable of experience tears (flevit super illam), pain during the Passio (Luke 22:39–46) as well as effort (Simon of Cyrene who aided Jesus for the transport of the cross), but also the illness 8ebven if for the latter there is are biblical evidences). Even with those mortal qualities, the Unigenite never ended to be true man and true God, and, being God, he couldn't and he didn't share with the human creatures the sin, the error and the afterthought.Philosopher81sp (talk) 10:49, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Divinity of Jesus[edit]

Divinity of Jesus currently redirects to this page, but as a hotly debated topic in itself I think it may need a page of its own, separate from other topics discussed on this page such as salvation, etc. There are easily enough sources to meet WP:GNG. Any thoughts? Relinus (talk) 08:46, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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