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NPOV sourcing

Sourcing for this article is largely based from Israeli media or claims from Israeli officials, with nineteen of the forty-three sources of those. The article also uses reliable data to get a specific point of view across, seen in the Harvard study in the misinformation section. The section does not explicitly state that there was any denial per se of the attacks, rather justification. The article's sourcing then tries to bring in unrelated references to the al-Ahli hospital strike and the Day of Rage fears, with neither the article nor the source mentions denialism of the attacks, rather that the attacks and Israel's response contributed to a rise in antisemitism online.

The article at multiple points also conflates denial that the attacks ever happened with justification of the attacks, and nearly every section rehashes the massacre itself. While I think the article should be kept as denialism of the attacks is a very notable and well-discussed topic, the way this article is written attempts to portray all forms of the rise of antisemitism post-10/7 as denial of the attacks. There are also various quips and phrasing attempting to unilaterally portray all Palestinians as antisemitic or supportive of Hamas. Jebiguess (talk) 23:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. This is an incredibly biased article. Needs to be reworked or deleted. JDiala (talk) 01:29, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are serious issues here.

  1. In the realm of WP:RSOPINION and WP:USERG. Opinion articles [1] [2] [3] [4] and blogs [5] being used for facts, which I am removing.
  2. The very first sentence has WP:SYNTH problems: Denial of the October 7 attacks is the denial that Hamas attacked Israeli civilians on October 7, 2023 - yes, the [6] source discusses denial of attacking civilians, but it does not say that this is "denial of the October 7 attacks".
  3. Our article: Due to the denialism that raised in regard to the massacre toward Israelis on October 7, and in attempt to counter the denial or downplay of the events, the Israeli government presented a 43-minute film... Two sources are cited, one opinion article [7] and one news article [8] that says: The government showed the 43-minute compilation ... to counter what it said were attempts to deny or downplay the extent of the atrocities. Either the opinion source was used for facts or our article goes into WP:OR and WP:SYNTH.

Altogether this is very concerning. starship.paint (RUN) 06:43, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the above. There are major problems with the sourcing, and, as alluded to by the above editors, this extends even to the article title. Nobody is denying the reality of the attacks; Hamas are justifying them. This would not be the first time this author has introduced an article with a blatantly biased title - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israeli humanitarian aid to Gaza. Deletion for this article might also be appropriate - Wikipedia:Blow it up and start over. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 11:04, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote before, and I write now. Wikipedia is a joint venture. I write articles that I think are important, I know that my articles are not born perfect and I think that it is the role of our community to improve and balance articles.
I'm used to a situation where every article written about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that does not attack Israel is immidietly attacked and scrutinized from every side to look for cracks in it. Unfortunately, I also feel that editors who wrote here about these issues have disappeared. (Some were blocked and some simply stopped writing about the topics, maybe because of the reason I wrote above).
However, I will continue to write about these important topics.
I suggest that instead of finding cracks in the sources and the article, it can simply be improved together so that it presents the truth (I believe that only the truth should be written in Wikipedia). Eladkarmel (talk) 12:53, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We can work on small cracks. These are large, significant cracks. This sentence from the very first version of the article: In addition, due to the belief in Hamas's puritanical Islamist image, many Palestinians find it hard to believe the accusations of atrocities committed by Hamas during the October 7 attacks - is cited to two articles, neither of which back the claim, instead the first has Iraq and Iran acknowledging that the attack was done by Palestinians / Hamas and the second has Hezbollah stating the attack was "100 percent Palestinian". starship.paint (RUN) 13:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note, I removed even more opinion articles. One and Two. starship.paint (RUN) 14:30, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm used to a situation where every article written about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that does not attack Israel is immidietly attacked and scrutinized from every side to look for cracks in it. See, Eladkarmel - this right here is the problem. You start off by writing an article with clear bias (e.g. reporting only what's favourable to one side & critical of another; omitting context or background; claiming aid as Israeli when it's international; etc., etc.), coming from a WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality, and when the obvious biases you insert into the article are challenged, it must be because of anti-Semitic/anti-Israeli bias on the part of the challengers, and not because of anything like WP's policies on WP:NPOV, WP:RS, WP:DUE, WP:BALANCE, etc. If my country had experienced a terrorist attack such as occurred on October 7, no doubt I would absolutely feel as strongly; but I hope I would have enough self-awareness to maybe stay away from related WP articles until I could be objective about them. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:14, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh, who's going to do the deletion discussion? The title is wrong as well, another 7 October branding effort.Selfstudier (talk) 19:02, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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