Goofs[edit]

do wiki articles usually have "goofs" sections? i am amazed at how many sloppy errors (mispronunciations!) there are in this show. worth a list? 173.13.68.229 (talk) 19:12, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Season 3b[edit]

It's important to note that the upcoming season is not season 4 but Part 2 of season three, and is being officially marketed as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.176.204 (talk) 22:56, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

s3b ep flush![edit]

sorry, i'm not skilled with the "history" feature, but why did someone (YoungForever, i think) delete all the s3b EP LISTINGS?!

i was so happy to see them here to begin with; a rare case where wiki was ahead of futoncritic (also happened with kim's convenience and star trek discovery recently). even in such cases, they have never turned out to be *WRONG* -- i would urge the user to restore the listings, even if he/she feels the info is still "tentative".

(begging the question, where do these come from in the FIRST place, if not futoncritic?)

luckily i saved a copy while they were briefly here (reformatted a bit):

3-11 04 feb ALRIGHT
3-12 11 feb WATER ON WATER ON WATER
3-13 18 feb NO HALO
3-14 25 feb KNOW YOURSELF
3-15 04 mar OVER MY HEAD
3-16 11 mar ALL IN LOVE IS FAIR
3-17 18 mar WHO DO YOU LOVE?

in case anyone ELSE finds them useful.... 66.30.47.138 (talk) 05:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The episode titles and writers were sourced from here, the Writers Guild of America West, which keeps a record of television episodes written as long as the writer's are represented by them (most of which these days are represented by them or Writers Guild of America East). Not all of the episodes you listed above have sourced air dates by the way. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You can't add them with airdates without the reliable sources that include the airdates because that would be WP:SYNTH. In addition, this is a sitcom which means it may not be in the order that it is on WGA. — YoungForever(talk) 05:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
They could probably be added after the table in bullet point list form with the prose "Other episodes written for this season include:", that's how it's usually handeled in this case I believe. TheDoctorWho (talk) 07:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine to be added after the table in bullet point list form with the prose "Other episodes written for this season include:". But, on the Episode table itself with airdates (not on the reliable sources) would be WP:SYNTH. I think the ip address was talking about the Episode table itself. — YoungForever(talk) 07:44, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
sorry, i am not 100% sure those dates were in the prior listing (which i cut/pasted) -- i may have extrapolated them based on the fact that growish s01 and s02 never skipped weeks (other than the midseason gap). synth, yes, my bad.
either way, why can't the eps appear in the chart with a simple "TBA" or "TBD" for date? separate section and/or long messy "other eps written for..." explanation seems unnecessary. 66.30.47.138 (talk)
As TheDoctorWho suggested, it could be in bullet point list form with the prose. As I said, making them on the Episode table is WP:SYNTH because this is a sitcom which means it may not be in the order that it is on WGA. — YoungForever(talk) 03:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In other words episodes don't always air in the order produced. The first episode produced for a season could be the sixth episode aired. So unless you have a source with the dates or a source verifying the order the episodes will air in a certain order they shouldn't be added. I'll admit I jumped the gun in adding them but I'm fairly new to WGA sourcing. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:53, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
you're overthinking things. i routinely check pages like this and the info shuffles around quite a bit. add them back into the chart, but "TBA" for date, and then if things change order, change it when the time comes. it routinely happens in the blackish article.
no one wants to read a whole lot of prose about the sausage being made. 66.30.47.138 (talk) 05:14, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Again, what part of WP:SYNTH you do not seem to understand? Sitcoms always seem to air out of production orders at some point. WP:NORUSH. We do not know order until The Futon Critic has a new listing. — YoungForever(talk) 06:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
why can't you just treat it like the blackish page? put the tentative order there and then tweak it if and when something changes (unlikely for this show, frankly). even futoncritic has frequent order changes as the weeks progress.
and if there's no DATES listed, who's to say you're even asserting an order to begin with? only diff is that the info will sit neatly in the chart as A B C D E instead of in some SEPARATE chart with bullet points still reading A B C D E. order v chaos. 66.30.47.138 (talk) 10:33, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Both the "No. overall" and "No. season" parameters would also need to be TBA because adding would also be WP:SYNTH, we do not know order until The Futon Critic has a new listing. Again, WP:NORUSH. — YoungForever(talk) 15:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
fine by me. they can all sit there in some upcoming/tentative limbo. just put them into the SAME CHART for formatting purposes, that's all i ask.
put the other way, just retore TheDoctorWho's contribution and blank out the numbers.
still seems a bit overcautious when SO MANY OTHER PAGES don't adhere to this, but ok. i'm fine with that. 66.30.47.138 (talk) 02:09, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ep synopses[edit]

this is one of the few shows lacking them. COMPLETELY lacking them (x/c for the pilot). what gives? 66.30.47.138 (talk) 10:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Character Appearance Table[edit]

Scaled down the character appearance table as there's no reason to include Parts 1 and 2 of each season as there is no change across any of them. In addition while Shahidi and Jackson do have more of a limited role in the new season this is not reflected by a change in how they are credited, they are still listed as Starring (Shahidi in fact still retains top billing.) There is also no source for the guest appearances listed for some of the cast in season 5, so I've removed that too. TheMovieManiac (talk) 06:35, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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