Requested move 5 November 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved. While there is discussion over whether "telenovela" should be replaced by "TV series", there is consensus to use the year instead of a country. DrKay (talk) 22:11, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

La Venganza (Colombian telenovela) → La venganza (2002 telenovela) – It is a production of two countries. Philip J Fry talk 10:50, 5 November 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 14:42, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • The telenovelas are a separate genre and it is not the same as a TV series, for example see: Victoria (TV series) and Victoria (telenovela). The telenovelas last longer than a TV series, is something that I will not discuss; just look at the version of the article in Spanish, since "telenovela" has been used for a long time. However, titles in Spanish should not be capitalized.--Philip J Fry talk 12:51, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • None of what you are saying is supported by existing guidelines. This article falls squarely within the domain of WP:NCTV. -- Netoholic @ 13:18, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • If (soap opera) is not listed on WP:NCTV as a valid case, then certainly telenovela should not as its a FAR less prolific subgenre. We have no special disambiguators for any genres of fictional/narrative series. The comparison to (miniseries) is irrelevant because that is a matter of format not genre. Your assertion should be dismissed by the admin closing this as you've not stated a valid position backed by any guidelines. -- Netoholic @ 05:06, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also per my reply to Amakuru, this vote should be dismissed as it fails to site any compliance to an accepted guideline. -- Netoholic @ 05:08, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Netoholic: You are not an administrator, you can not deny the votes of other users, I believe that all are free to give their opinion and vote freely at your discretion, no administrator will do what you say simply because yes. Well, this is what this motion request is about, to reach a consensus on how the title of the article should go.--Philip J Fry / talk 05:43, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I am an administrator, but that doesn't give me any special authority to dismiss or accept !votes either. Only the closer has that particular job. But it's valid to comment on them, and since it's been raised, I certainly would not dismiss that one, as it gives a perfectly valid rationale. Andrewa (talk) 07:17, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
My and Amakuru's statements are clear enough. Regardless of Netoholic's preferences, WP:NCTV does advise us to use special cases like "miniseries", "game show", etc. when it's clearer for the reader. In this case, "telenovela" is much clearer than "2002 TV series". "Telenovela" is a common and widely used disambiguator as can be seen by virtually any category: Category:2002 telenovelas, for example. The idea that perfectly reasonable comments should be "dismissed" is absurd.--Cúchullain t/c 16:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly this needs a more centralized discussion, as there is no clear consensus that "telenovela" should be deprecated in disambiguation. That could be an RfC at the guideline or project page, or perhaps a mass RM discussion to gauge wider consensus. In the meantime, Netoholic, please refrain from making any more moves of this type as it's clear that others challenge them.--Cúchullain t/c 14:09, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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