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Should this list be deleted and replaced with an automatically updated categoy list? VirginiaProp 01:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Is this actually an NHL?--Appraiser (talk) 23:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
As with other list-articles of NHLs included in WP:NRHP, this is to be rated as an article, until it can be put up for Featured List. For now, it is a Stub, by the simple definition that this is a Stub until every NHL on the list has a Stub article. doncram (talk) 03:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Lvklock pointed out that there was a problem with links to NRHP text/photo documents for Alexandria Historic District, the first NHL on the list. My bad, i had put in links and not tested them I guess. Maybe it was when the NPS website was down? Anyhow, those docs are just not available on-line in the NPS system, it turns out. I dunno, are you willing to request the hard copies from the NPS, and work from them? Certainly okay to say no, and perhaps eventually someone else might do so. Not sure I want to either. Again, sorry about the bad links, i have removed them now. doncram (talk) 04:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Clariosophic pointed out to me that NRHP.COM's listings indicate NHLs. I did not know that before, i never noticed that. Clariosophic further asked/commented: "A question, I have is onNRHP.com for Hanover County, 3 blue stars are supposed to be NHLs, but some are and some aren't on the NHL list. The Richmond National Battlefield Park which is actually in Hanover County has 3 stars. Cold Harbor National Cemetery also has 3 stars. I found one in Sumter County SC that has 2 stars but isn't on the NPS NHL list." Unfortunately NRHP.COM seems to be down right now, so I can't go see. But I believe that NRHP.COM's data is limited to the same NRIS download that Elkman's infobox generator tool accesses, and the same that was used in creating the original table of Virginia NHLs. The NRIS database has a field for NHL or not, and that NRIS database indicator of NHLs is inaccurate, I know for sure. So I would think the NRHP.COM source would have to be wrong, often. Maybe the three stars indicates National Historic Sites, Nattional Battlefields, and other National Park Service areas, listed further below in the List of NHLs page? The Richmond NBP appears there, but not the Cold Harbor National Cemetery. I guess their system gives stars for sites that are National Cemeteries, too, which are not the same kind of historic sites as what we want to list. I am curious to see the NRHP.COM system and try to figure out what the rest of its star system covers. Thanks. doncram (talk) 04:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I was asked, what's to be done, what would I like to have done on this list-article. If you're willing to take something on, here are some ideas:
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If you are willing to take on one of these tasks perhaps you could say so here, and/or just communicate by your edit summaries that you are marching through and doing them. I don't think coordination is too much of a problem, i have rarely ever had edit conflict issues, as long as you work out in mainspace and don't do a ton of work in sandboxes that someone else might be doing in their own sandbox. doncram (talk) 05:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
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I started an article for Marlbourne just now, which I would be interested in putting up for DYK, if developed properly to describe secessionist Edmund Ruffin's agricultural innovations including use of marl to replenish depleted plantation soil. Map shows 3 marl pits. But, among other problems, can't find a usable picture to include in article. NRHP doc mentions HABS pics from 1969, but i can't find them. Also can't find any external links that would be very helpful to include, despite mention somewhere that the site is open for visiting. doncram (talk) 21:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I just announced some of the new VA NHL articles in the new articles list at WP:NRHP:
I don't always announce my own new articles, but think it hurts to attract other attention to our joint articles-in-process. These ones are short but all have multiple sources and have photos (thanks, KudzuVine and RebelAt for adding those). Everyone should feel free to announce our new articles there, if you get them up to a point where you feel proud of them. doncram (talk) 22:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
You should be aware that most Virginia cities such as Alexandria, Richmond, etc, are Independent cities and are NOT in a county. The city of Richmond was once in Henrico County, but is no longer. It has annexed into other adjacent counties. Places with the name "Richmond" may not be in the city but in an adjoining county. To confuse things further, there is a Richmond County in the Northern Neck, some distance from the city. Also Alexandria County no longer exists. It is now Arlington County. The City of Alexandria is independent and it too has annexed into other counties. I'll be trying to correct them. clariosophic (talk) 03:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Hmm. User:JonHarder just edited away at the section headers, with edit title "Edit for conciseness. Avoid repeating article title in headers (MoS:HEAD))". I am sure he was right that some improvements were possible, but the immediate effect of the edit was to leave us with no section for the main NHL list, and "Historic areas" and "Former sites" as section titles that are not descriptive. ALL of the items covered in all 3 lists within the article are historic areas. All are sites, no site is a "former site", it keeps on being a place whether or not it continues as a National Historic Landmark.
I think he is right that there is repetition between the article title and the first section title. The article title should perhaps be broader. But I can't come up with anything that is not too wordy. "List of National Historic Landmarks and related national landmarks in, or formerly in, Virginia"? I would welcome better suggestions for the article title. The general criticism would apply in many other NHL list articles, such as List of National Historic Landmarks in New York which has gone through peer review. I'll invite JonHarder to comment further here. But I am inclined to bring back the previous section titles as superior to the current ones, if we can't come up with an adequate set that accurately describes the sections. doncram (talk) 19:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay, this may be silly to do.
Date | Good blurb |
Stub #Stub+ |
Start #Start+ |
Pic | #NRHP ibox |
#ibox has NHL date |
#NHL sum linked |
#NRHP text linked |
#NRHP photos linked |
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Target | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 |
4/06/08 | ? | ? | ? | 34 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
4/16/08 | ? | 100? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
4/17/08 | ? | 108 | ? | 91 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
4/20/08 | ? | 112 | ? | 91 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
4/21/08 | ? | 118 | ? | 92? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
4/22/08 | ? | 121 | ? | 92 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
4/23/08 | ? | 125 | ? | 92 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
4/26/08 | ? | 130 | ? | 91 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
Just now there is an article for all 130 sites indexed by our list, and 91 or those are with pictures included in our list. With this, I am upgrading this list-article to Start and will announce it in WP:NRHP's new articles section. Nice work, all! doncram (talk) 22:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC) P.S. On 4/26, one pic got deleted, that's why pic count went down.
If anyone wants to do a DYK or two, I just started two articles that could make good ones: Tuckahoe Plantation, boyhood home of Thomas Jefferson, and New Kent School and George W. Watkins School, focus of 1968 desegregation case following up on 1954 Brown v. Board of Education. I added good sources, links. HABS drawings available for the first; NRHP pics could be used for 2nd. Plenty of material, if someone wants to develop the article a bit more and nominate.
I personally don't really get how DYK works, never had one. I have nominated Carter Hall, a Virginia NRHP related to one of our NHLs, in the April 17-created batch at Template talk:Did you know, will see how that goes. doncram (talk) 21:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a discrepancy. The official list mentions 119 entries and doesn't include "City Hall (Richmond)". However, its entry doesn't show that it has been delisted. Anyone having more information? -- Firefox13 (talk) 20:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)